Topic: Richardson Webb or Other?

[obscurities]

I would likely lean towards Bohemian for this piece. A large quantity of these thorn, stick and tube vases have been traced to Bohemian production with the use of the Butler Brothers import catalogs from the early 1900's.  Much of the production is traced to Kralik. Although commonly represented in the market place as English in origin, a large amount of production represented that way is Bohemian.

Craig

[nigel benson]

.........after it has been ground to level it out.

Really? Cold worked (ground) to create a level, then reheated??? Never seen that in a studio, or on a production line come to that. Why would you grind an item before heating it to create the rounded (fire finished) edge?

Very simply, generally if made by hand, then the piece will be cut while hot, blown out and worked, before receiving it's final re-heating to create a rounded edge whilst on the end of a punty iron. However, if a production line then the item will be scored, the top knocked off and a gas flame used to 'soften' the edge (such as on a wine glass).
 
As for the flat rim being Continental, yes that was certainly a rule of thumb that I was taught a long while ago, however, with the collecting of things like Dartington and Caithness this can become a little misleading. Worth bearing in mind when looking at items though.

Nigel

[krsilber]

I wonder if if might be a studio piece.  The feet look rather...um...primitive? for someone like Kralik, Webb or Richardson.  Maybe I'm not seeing them well, though, and the glass seems to have a greyish tinge indicating some age.  Are there signs of wear (not that that always means much)?

"...if it's clear glass,as it looks, I doubt it is uv reactive"

A lot of clear glass is UV reactive, and that could provide a clue.  For instance, if it glowed pink it's more likely to be a later piece.  That's a whole 'nother subjeck, though!

[obscurities]

My experience is that much of this glass type of glass produced by Bohemian houses such as Kralik, was produced quickly for the export market, and as a result, some of it lacks the quality of execution of other product they manufactured.  The look of quick execution also leads me towards Bohemian export glass.

Craig

[Leni]

Whatever the quality (or lack of it) may look like, many of these thorn vases were made by reputable Stourbridge factories such as Webb, Richardson, Walsh, Boulton & Mills, etc., etc. and Registered Designs for similar pieces can be found in the pattern books of many of those companies.  I have a cabinet full of the uranium ones, which do all have the fire finished rims because of course the fire finishing was part of the process of colour-changing the uranium glass.  I do also have a clear glass set, like yours ic1, but they too have fire finished rims.   

However, I would not automatically assume that cut rims means continental.  This attribution by Manley was apparently due to his somewhat Nationalistic view that cut rims were inferior to fire-finished, and being 'inferior', all items with cut rims must of course be continental, since English glass was always superior   

[Lustrousstone]

because of course the fire finishing was part of the process of colour-changing the uranium glass

Only if the "opal" effect was required

[Leni]

Yep.  All my 'Triffids' are the opalescent sort of Uranium glass    Should have pointed that out.  Thanks, Christine  :thup:

[ic1]

Hi just to add fuel to the fire I have been able to uv them and they have a lovely green glow to them........ any ideas??Thanks.

[Lustrousstone]

The lovely green glow just means that they contain manganese - a very common decoloriser mostly used in older glass (it became too expensive). Yours are not uranium glass. So no, no clues there. You'll most likely never find the answer.