Topic: I have attributed this as a Whitefriars knobbly - But I wonder if it is Czech

[ahremck]

I am uncertain of the way one tells the difference between those vases from CZ and the Knobblies from WF.  Am I correct that this is a WF vase.

Ross

[Greg.]

Not Whitefriars, definitely looks more Czech to me.

[ahremck]

What makes you tend towards CZ?  What do I look for to tell the difference?

Ross

[Greg.]

The design looks different to other WF knobblies I have seen,(the lobes / hotworking looking much more pronounced) also the base looks different, no ground pontil mark. Base looks typical of Czech production.


Have you seen this WF Knobblies blog, produced by another GMB member....

http://whitefriarsknobblies.blogspot.com/

[chopin-liszt]

Wfs knobblies are knobbled with an S-shaped tool - this can help to id them.
This vase is more complex, the bits that stick out stick out more than bits on wfs do, and it has a lot of horizontal sticky out bits - also, it's far better balanced than wfs, which can be quite seriously..... odd-shaped.

[ahremck]

OK so it is CZ - can you point me in the direction of a likely maker?

Ross

[scimiman]

Skrdlovice

If you put Czech Glass into Google there are huge amounts of info.
https://picasaweb.google.com/exat53/Skrdlovice# Here isa a useful link.
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk

[vidrioguapo]

As Sue has said Whitefriars used an "S" shaped tool which produces quite different and distinctive "knobbles"  Whitefriars did not make knobblies with this rather small opening either on a shape similar to this.  See my Knobbly blog, (link under my signature) for the shapes of Whitefriars knobblies.

[bOBA]

With knobbly vases there are also Scandinavian examples to consider. I remember a while ago Ivo posted a vase he had that I think was attributed as an Aseda "Bjornevas" apologies for incorrect spelling. I attach two pictures of a Scandinavian vase, probably Aseda not CZ, this came in sommerso colours, including red and clear and violet and clear, as well as crystal. This is not a CZ piece. Magnor too made some pieces that are hotworked and can pass as possible CZ glass. The base is cut flat but there is no "chamfer" to the edge, for wont of a better term. If I was buying a Skrdlovice vase and had doubts, the absence of a "chamfer" to the edge of the cut flat base (another tiny edge of polishing to help prevent chips) could prevent me buying as most Skrdlovice has this feature on the edges of most of their pieces,

Robert (bOBA)
 

[langhaugh]

One thing that puzzles me about Ross's piece is that it looks asymmetric, whereas the Scandinavian versions were symmetric and regular.  See this Magnor piece.

David