Topic: German crystal label - ST in a G?

[pamela]

I'll have a look into the Hartmann book tomorrow :X:

[astrid]

Thanks for looking, Pamela. I think this basic type solifleur has had versions in Germany, Scandinavia, and apparently also Czechoslovakia. I have seen quite similar type solifleurs for instance from Marsberger Glaswerke, Ingrid Glas and Schott Zwiesel, which means that the example you show doesn't tell me as much as I'd like.

I believe the label on the double one to be genuine, which would mean a German language country, which rules out Czechoslovakia, unless the St in G would be a retailer or distributer instead of a factory (but for now I'd rather assume factory).

Astrid

[pamela]

Hartmann book: GST = Marsberger Glasfabrik, Niedermarsberg/Westfalen
no further data, however, according to Hartmann name appears here first: Adressbuch der Glasindustrie 1936

Dirk, like MGM Marsberger Glasfabrik GmbH, Marsberg this is your neighbourhood too ??   :girlcheer:

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[astrid]

Thanks Pamela, for finding this one, and also for your hard work on keeping up those wonderful pages of yours.

Is that the same do you think as the Marsberger Glaswerke that used the label below? I did think the way the top of the solifleur was formed looked awfully familiar to my other MG pieces...

Astrid

[pamela]

Hartmann:

GST : Marsberger Glasfabrik, Niedermarsberg
Firmendaten unbekannt

MGM : Marsberger Glasfabrik GmbH, Marsberg
Firmendaten unbekannt

Come on, Dirk 

 :t:

[astrid]

I've read half a dozen pages on the history of the Marsberger glassworks, founded in 1905 by Nordberger, and bought in the 30s by Ritzenhoff. It's mentioned as having MGM (Marsberger Glasfabrik Marsberg) as initials from the 30s onwards.

The one reference I did find to STG was the big Marsberger corporation Stadtberger Gewerkschaft, a company that mainly was into copper mines in the 19th century, but I can't find any link to them having glass production that could have been a part of the Marsberger Glasworks later on. Reading on more history, it seems there was an earlier glassworks in Fürstenburg, but that one was closed when the new one in Marsberg got started.

So, no satisfactory explanation for STG on a 60s-70s piece .

Astrid

[KevinH]

When I made my comment earlier about the different dates covered by the book and the online version of Hartmann's details, I did so with the knowledge that an "STG" mark or label was not included in the book version. And I checked for "STG" in the book because in the link that Wuff gave to the online version, the page showed "/ A-Z / stg". But clearly I have no knowledge of how to interpret what "/ A-Z / stg" really means. :spls:

Pamela correctly states that the label is shown in the book (and it is recorded as "um 1967 Etikett"). But it is listed in the alphabetic section under "G", not "S". So, I failed in my detailed approach to things by not checking for "GST" as well as "STG". :spls: :spls:

I also failed in my assumption that, because the book is "1600 - 1945", later dates would not be included. I know that is not true because I have, lots of times, seen lots and lots and lots of later dated entries in the book. :spls: :spls: :spls:

I think I will put the book back on the shelf below a large pile of other glass books and not ever look at it again. :pb:

[astrid]

I did find a GST in connection with glas as the firm Glas Schoonhoven-Tiggeman in Essen, but I can't find out whether they've been in business long enough to produce this piece (also, I would still be wondering about the connection with Marsberger  :huh:)

Astrid

[Wuff]

... But clearly I have no knowledge of how to interpret what "/ A-Z / stg" really means.

In my understanding this means searching in "letters (without frame)" for the letters S T G - all three, irrespective of sequence: I had searched for "stg" but "gst" would have resulted in the same hits. This works nicely when searching a database - but obviously not for an alphabetical listing.

If one would get on to read the additional info (paid service) it would become clear - but not by just searching whether any info is available.

[pamela]

Hartmann: No additional information than given above 

Now investigating several 'Adressbuch der Glasindustrie' from Coburg as well as Dresden.
No GST so far; for Marsberg only MGM (family Nordheimer) in Coburg books 1929 and 1936.