Topic: Help needed with possible Monart vase

[millarart]

haha cheers Frank,
                          dunno what to make of this piece, Monart was my guess , i have 60 to 70 pieces of P/Ps and dont have this colourway nor shape/pontil,
also having visited Chic Young in his house a few years back (see intreview on ysart glass site) i was shown several pieces of his glass and some where very much in Monart colours just not this one, could be one of the many pieces made a few years back intended to deceive,

[abc]

Can I ask a daft question please .............Does all Monart have a raised and polished pontil ?

[Frank]

Not daft, full answer http://www.ysartglass.com/BaseLabel/Bases.htm

[nigel benson]

Hi,

These have been around for a lot longer then ten years. I bought one from the same series back when I was a student - so given that it was second hand then, some 36 or so years ago, I doubt any connection with Chic Young, P/Ps, etc. In fact they've been around all the time that we've been aware of the infamous 'cellophane' glass.

More abrupt change between the rim and body colouring; enamel granules and separate colours quite distinct; and a nice polished pontil; are all distinct features that are not commonly found on Monart, Vasart, Strathearn, or Perthshire Paperweight's vessels. Oh and none of the shapes are consistant with the Ysart shapes - again similarities may be found, but are outweighed by the several that aren't right.

Nigel

[Frank]

Hmm, when was that Nigel? Lets assume 70s?

I don't think that date alonee could eliminate Chic Young, but Gary has done that with his knowledge. Very few others in Scotland so that would leave Peter Holmes - I think not, John Deacons - again I doubt. Both of those leave a different feel. Which leaves Herbert Dreier, Peter McDougall or Paul Ysart at Caithness. I cannot think of anyone else that could make these and as they do not match Monart shapes and finish, could not have been made to deceive even if resellers later sold them as Monart! That last name is a possible shocker but might make sense, these are well made.

[millarart]

Hi,

These have been around for a lot longer then ten years. I bought one from the same series back when I was a student - t.

Nigel

wow that long ago, Mmmmmmmmmm could be roman then :smg:

[nigel benson]

  :thud: :24: :24:

[chopin-liszt]

Don't know what you're laughing at, Nigel - but I have a head full of an image of you dressed as a centurion
.... with your glasses still on, obviously.  :24: