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Carnival Butter Dish? - ID = Walther Oliven

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Lustrousstone:
It's definitely a butter dish, butter didn't always come in neatly wrapped blocks :D  :D. I think you bought a chunk off a large block or even a scoop or two out of a container and then made curls or individual pats stakced in pyramids when you were having a posh tea with all the trimmings (hot toast, crumpets, teacakes...  mmm).

It was probably the arrival of Anchor butter from New Zealand in easy to transport and retail greaseproof-wrapped blocks that initiated oblong butter dishes.

Glen:
Della, check out my article on the recently found "Stippled Clover & Gothic" (Brockwitz) butter dish, to see the typical shape for covered butters. This shape was used for butters in the early part of the 1900s (and late 1800s) - both in the USA and Europe.
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/StippledClover.html

What was different between the two continents is that most USA covered butters have the moulded pattern on the outside of the cover. It's interesting to note that not all European butters have the moulded pattern on the outside. Some do - and some don't. One school of thought suggests that it was so the outside could be wiped clean of sticky fingerprints.

And within the same pattern suite (service) it's often possible to find a butter with the pattern on the outside and also one with the same pattern on the inside (Brockwitz Curved Star is a perfect example).

Often there would also be a cheese dish that was a larger version of the butter - and with a round domed shape.

I'm still thinking about the pattern on your dish. It is almost a hybrid - it has the long ovals of Brockwitz "Oliven" and also the upright ribs or ridges of Brockwitz "Triands" - yet it is neither. And given that an example is known in amber, that more or less rules out Brockwitz, as I said. I am wondering if it might even be a Rindskopf piece, or possibly Walther. I'm thinking out loud without checking, so I should stop waffling and get looking!

Such is research on the hoof..........

Glen

Della:
Of course Christine, you are right. I forget that not everything came neatly packaged and ready to fit perfectly into a specially made dish.

After having read the definitions about Marigold on Glens' site, again. I have come to the conclusion that it is probably Pastel Marigold. I have 3 pieces of Carnival in total. The Inwald is definitely Pumpkin and my small snack dish is probaly Clambroth. This butter dish is neither. I have taken it outside and held it up to the sun and there is no iridescence, but as you can see on the photos, when in the shade (no sun at all then, sorry), it does.

Glen:
EUREKA>>>>I've got it.

It is August Walther's "Oliven" - 1931. Number in the catalog - 20817.

Another Carnival Glass mystery solved. And it all happened here over the past couple of hours! Anyone with the "Cut Ovals" butter dish shown in their Edwards & Carwile books, please amend the maker to WALTHER.

Della, may I post your photo of the butter dish on my website "Walther" feature, as this piece needs to be recorded? I will, of course, acknowledge and credit you fully.

The colour, by the way, is just marigold. Pastel marigold is one of the DDG marigolds, as is Pumpkin. Both are very rarely found. Pastel marigold is full of lime, fuschia, purple, aqua and gold, as you twist and turn the iridescence. Most marigold falls in the mid range category.

Glen

Della:
Glen,

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Thank you, AGAIN :!:

Of course you may use the photos. Feel free.
If you need any more, just ask and I will take some.

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