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2 Carnival vases ID = 1. King James Vase; 2. Iris and Herringbone, Jeanette

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Della:
Hi Glen,

Thanks for the information, yet again. I didn't know that you had named the vase, how brilliant. I did look on your site, as I always do, but couldn't find it, so looked on ddoty. (where he doesn't say possibly.....<slapped hands>)

I did to try and buy your book on Czech carnival, but it is sold out. Maybe I should buy the other one.

Oh well, the vase may not have a definite maker, but has a lovely name.
My middle son is called James, so he will be chuffed to bits.

pamela:
Hi Della and Glen,
could your King James be Walther 1950 CUMBERLAND?

http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/vasen/01580.html

 :shock:

Glen:
Pamela - do you have a different Cumberland vase to the one I can see? Are there variations? This is the one I can find - it's not my King James.

http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/CumberlandVase.html

Glen

pamela:
Glen, no I do not - it is just a 'could be?'
VEB Sachsenglas (Walther) simplified a lot of their Thirties' designs
Main aim was exportation to England to obtain foreign exchange
One of the best examples for this is my green Kolibri vase - which should be/is also Fifties if compared at the base
So I just take it that it 'could be' Cumberland (especially with that name) surviving as a pattern name
all other pattern names of West German Cities were deleted like Hannover f.e.

interesting field in any case! Hopefully D.Mauerhoff joins us Whitsun... and will be of help  :wink:

Glen:
I think it is important to note that the vase currently known as "King James" is not Walther's "Cumberland" in my opinion.

The Walther Cumberland vase has:
* what appears to be a 10 sided base
* two vertical panels at the bottom of the vase, with a small panel just above the base
* one very long vertical panel (over half the height of the vase) at the top of the vase
* distinct full length vertical, narrow ridge panels separating the "square" panels

The unknown maker King James vase has:
* a 6 sided base
* five "square" block panels, going up the vase (vertical)
* six panels around the vase, horizontally
* no vertical separation between the blocks
* known in three different sizes (approx. 6", 8" and 10") in marigold and light amber

The "King James" vase is currently not attributed to a maker. I wish I knew who made it. I have speculated in the past that Rindskopf may be the maker. Indeed, it is very possible that Walther made it, but I do not yet have a catalog illustration that matches the King James. If anyone does have one, please please let us know.

Of course, it's also possible that an - as yet  - unknown maker produced it. There are many Carnival items that do not have an attribution and may indeed remain so for some time. I'm currently thinking that Poland may well give us the answer to some questions. If in doubt, I feel it is fair to say "Maker unknown - possibly XXX - and almost certainly European".

Glen

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