Topic: Tiffany Favrile Ewer?

[Frank]

The mark is shown in Hartmann and dates from 1892 on labels. As he only goes up to c1950 that means little. Perhaps contact the Tiffany fakes site with link to that mark. They do say that they have made mistakes.

It is possible to fake such a mark during manufacture but it would be very expensive to make the die and it IS a well made die, surely a faker would have used it on every weight! Whereas if it is genuine it is not surprising that it was not used on every piece. Would FT in Italy have done such a mark, unlikely! It would be impossible to make that mark on a finished weight.

More and more intriguing.

Another possibility just to cover angles, the marked weight is genuine, the other a copy.

[svazzo]

Hi Frank,
Exactly! There is no Italian maker that would made a stamp signature like that.
You see acid signed pieces by Italian makers, but no cut out die stamps.
It is far too complex for a faker to use it once and place it on the weight after the fact.
That just does not make sense.

I have been waiting for someone to mention the signature, but no one has.
And that is a huge part of the puzzle.
Maybe Ken can forward that link to someone who knows about Tiffany signatures.

[Frank]

You can contact them yourself, email address is on the page or front http://www.tiffanyfakes.com/index.htm

[svazzo]

"Another possibility just to cover angles, the marked weight is genuine, the other a copy."

Still we are left with the question, what company would have been contracted to do them for KB?
If the paperweight is a High End piece with a rare signature, and KB wanted to sell a lower end line of the same design, would they contact Tiffany to make the pieces for them?
Still we have the same question... Where "Tiffany Favrile" pieces sold at KB? even if they were lower end mass produced items that could not be signed by Tiffany since they were now the "property of Koscherak Brothers".

[svazzo]

"You can contact them yourself"

Hi Frank,
Every time I click on the "Contact Us" link a window pops up on my computer saying I need to register a "Mail" program which I do not know what it is, and I would rather not install whatever it is on my computer. I do not see an actual email written on the site.

[Ohio]

SVAZZO:

Simply email them at the address below:
info@tiffanyfakes.com

As a backup you can also email Phillip Chasen who is a Tiffany expert. Matter of fact you might ask if he would look at the pics of you ewer if you sent them to him for an opinion.
philipc@chasenantiques.com

Bye the way if you think this KB question is intriguing, well I'm going to try to have a lady I know join in as she uncovered a rather confusing (to me anyway) U.S. patent that involves a KB rep & a U.S. glass company...maybe someone can figure this one out. Ken

[KevinH]

A couple of other points to consider:

1. This eBay item (ended 5 Aug 2011) was for a "Tiffany Paperweight by the Leonardo Collection". We know from many GMB threads that "The Leonardo Collection" is not a maker but a trading name used by a UK importer, sourcing many items from Asia and maybe elsewhere (and has done so for many years). Now, I lnow that the eBay weight is nothing like the "favrile-like" weight and ewer that have been discussed here, but it might be a clue to where at least some tiffany-looking pieces are coming from.

2. An alternative reference source is the Haworth Art Gallery at Accrington, Lancashire, England, which houses one of the world's best collections of Tiffany items. They may be able to comment postively on whether paperweights (or ewers) of the type discussed were really made at Tiffany. They were very helpful to me when I wrote to them (via snail mail) some years ago about a moulded (!!) iridescent vase I have with a very good looking, but fake, "L. C. Tiffany favrile"  signature. One web page with their contact details is here.

[svazzo]

Hi KevinH.
I do not think that the maker of this paperweight, "Tiffany Paperweight by the Leonardo Collection", meant to imply the piece was made by Tiffany, but you can see form the decoration on the weight itself, it most likely is an homage to Tiffany as a NY institution. As you can see they have the Empire State building, blue Tiffany box, etc.

[deco.queen]

I found an article about LC Tiffany and it does show the mark for Tiffany Glass and Decorating Company; http://www.treadwaygallery.com/tiffanyexhibit/exhibit.html .

Janice

[krsilber]

I'll preface this with the fact that I know nearly nada about Tiffany.  I've read a couple places now that the company was only called Tiffany Glass & Decorating Company from 1892-1902; how does that fit with the KB label?  To me the "Favrile" part of the stamp shown in the pwt. auction isn't very clear, and in general it is slightly different from the trademark, having the additional (extraneous) "o" in the C.  Considering the money to be made through fakes I wouldn't be surprised if someone made their own fake stamp - it wouldn't be that hard to etch one.  Has anyone seen, or seen mention of, a genuine stamped Tiffany mark?