Topic: Diatreta Vase ID

[ttttootall]

I have recently acquired a vase I need help in identifying.

[chopin-liszt]

Hi and welcome.
Your location on the planet might help as a starting place - and a good clear picture of the base would also help.

From what I can make out, I would suspect very modern and from the far east. This strapped effect is one I've seen a lot in TKMaxx - including middle sections in vases with nothing under the strapping.

I have only seen diatreta used in the context of "cage" cups and bowls - where the strapping is set far from the internal piece kind of on "sticks" of glass embedded into the internal bit.

This is a pic of a (pate-de-verre) cage bowl belonging to the Dan Klein Collection in Edinburgh Museum.

[ttttootall]

Lot#:  180 
Description:  Frederick Carder Steuben Diatreta vase

 
Images: 
 
 
 
AUCTION INFORMATION:   
Name  Saturday, May 23, 2009 
Date(s)  23 May 2009 
Location  PO Box 549
33 Golden Hills Dr.
Mountain City, GA 
 
 

[ttttootall]

9" tall with threaded bowl inside lattice. No marks on bottom other than mostly polished pontil.

[ttttootall]

This may be a better pic.

[KevinH]

In the Corning Museum of Glass dictionary pages, they give a defintion under "diatreta" as (apparently) speficifc to Frederick Carder for pieces made by the lost wax process. The CMOG definitions give "Diatretum" for the "cage cup" type of vessels.

http://www.cmog.org/dynamic.aspx?id=262#d

The vase shown here does not seem to be of the "cage cup" type so maybe it is a Frederick Carder item?

But it seems to me to be open lattice worked as a self-supporting structure attached to the inner body only at the upper and lower sections - and perhaps that could have been formed by direct application of hot glass, progressively worked from the lower section to the upper, rather than by a lost was wax process.

I think more detail is needed about how the lattice work is actually formed and how and where it is attached to the inner body.

[Lustrousstone]

A base shot would be useful too please. For the inner to be threaded, the outer must be applied lattice work.

[chopin-liszt]

Can we assume your second posting is the auction description of this actual piece, and that is what you bought it as?

Your newer image is far better - it doesn't look like modern far eastern at all - not any more. :thup:
I can't see your base shot, would you please add it to the posting directly?
The base shot is essential - how a pontil mark is polished or treated or not is vital for most identifications.

[ttttootall]

Base pic...

[ttttootall]

More base...