Topic: A little more ID help please?

[oldschool]

Due to today's success in my "Czech Vase Questions" post, I am encouraged to try another!

This piece is still a mystery, after a long google search.
I am not sure what to call it. A compote? A footed vase? The hole in the center extends into the base.
It is very thin glass that rings like a bell when struck with a finger nail.
The flowers are slightly raised.
The piece is about 6 inches tall, and 8.5 inches in diameter.
I don't know if the labels on the bottom are original. Does anyone recognize them? 

[wolkenreb]

Is there some kind of mark on the actual base, at about one to three o'clock?  It seems like there is something there.

[oldschool]

No Nancy, those are only small wrinkles.
There is a numeral 8 in gold.
I wonder if the labels are from an importer rather than maker?
The piece does appear to be old, but the labels are metallic stickers.

Dan 

[Ivo]

Fabulously OTT piece, very victorian. The hole in the centre is to make it adopt to decorator' s fancy like electricity or water - wha'ever.
I would suppose English as the flower is a scarlet pimpernel.

The labels might be  from a shop where it was sold previously?

[wolkenreb]

Oh!  Pity.  Never mind, I'm sure someone helpful from the board will come along soon (not me I'm afraid).  Good luck in finding an ID.

[oldschool]

Fabulously OTT piece, very victorian. The hole in the centre is to make it adopt to decorator' s fancy like electricity or water - wha'ever.
I would suppose English as the flower is a scarlet pimpernel.

The labels might be  from a shop where it was sold previously?

I suspect you may be right about the labels.
I should have been more clear about the hole.
It only extends INTO the base, not through it.
Perhaps for flower stems?

[chopin-liszt]

Is it glass? The base (and in particular the glided numeral, which normally indicates the gilder) looks like ceramic - but the rest of it looks as if it might be glass. The bit that might be a pontil mark looks as if it's been glazed over...
very confusing!

[oldschool]

Is it glass? The base (and in particular the glided numeral, which normally indicates the gilder) looks like ceramic - but the rest of it looks as if it might be glass. The bit that might be a pontil mark looks as if it's been glazed over...
very confusing!

Now I am not so sure it is!
I am able to insert my index finger down to the sharp crease near the bottom of the base.
It is absolutely smooth at every turn inside.
The interior is a near transparent blue over the white, all the way into the base,
except for an area just inside the hole, as if there was a dowel of sorts were there when the blue was applied.
The inside of the pontil is a raised point.
I don't know for sure, but it still feels like glass to me.
Here are a couple moor pics of the pontil area, one showing a toothpick inserted in to a void.

Dan  

[chopin-liszt]

 :hi:
You're ok, that's glass.  :thup: (we might have had to send you to the potty board!)
It looks like opalescent glass too - if you hold it up to the light, you should be able to see "fire" within it - sort of sunset colours - strawy yellows, sky blues and rosypink reds.
It's the addition of arsenic to the metal (molten glass) that gives this lovely colouring. I can see what it is next to your toothpick - there's an opaque-y clear bit.

[Lustrousstone]

It might be English, it might be Bohemian, it might even be American or French. Late 19th/early 20th century. It's possible the top hole took an epergne. I doubt you'll find a maker though. Theses things are near impossible to ID.