Topic: Help! Murano? Glass Bull Encased Red, Frosted/scavo glass?

[Scarvo]

Hi Scavo, reading this facinating and less confusing link has helped, but, does that mean that the glass is Trichroic and if so, can I pinpoint it to where it came from in Italy?

So, do you think it came from Italy, is Sommerso design and is Neodymium glass or the Trichroic examples mentioned in the links?  Can it still be from Italy if it is Trichroic?  I feel that I am falling into a facinating trap of glass (as well as sinking in boxes!) - I can't wait to put up my other things to find out more.......

You are all so helpful, are you all glass fanatics or collectors or simply love glass?  I feel a new love coming into my life as my grandmother has left it.....

I would have thought a 'bull' would be from Spain....  what do I know!

And does that mean that it is Scavo Glass?  So, it's from Italy, Murano Glass, Sommerso design and Scavo glass?  I looked it up and thought it looked like Scavo glass BUT it doesn't look like stone or granite which is what the examples I saw do, even though it is rough to the feel....

I really appreciate all the help.

A friend of a friend emailed the link to this website for me.  She has agreed to go through some of the boxes and sell the items I haven't got room for (which are loads).  I don't use ebay and don't have the time but she has a 'shop' and said if I research the items I should be able to get good prices for things.  She also said that she will create a website for me and show the links from the postcards to the pieces of my Grandmother's glass (with professional photographs) so it's not as though I am loosing her items, I will be able to buy the children's Christmas presents with the money.  If feel a little guilty but I simply don't have room for it all!  I have inherited not only my grandmothers, but her siststers and my own mothers items back which were given to my grandmother when my mother died, so it's a little 'full' here.  I feel guilty selling the items.

Thankyou so much to all of you for your help.  My grandmother spent alot of time travelling Europe and the States so I've got lost of pieces to show you yet.

x x

[Lustrousstone]

Yes it is dichroic glass. It is dichroic because it contains neodymium. All you can say is that it probably came from Murano in Italy.
Sommerso is merely a descriptive term that means submerged. You could probably used it to describe your bull. It is not scavo, the correct term in this case is frosted.

A sommerso Murano bull in frosted neodymium glass with red interior is what you have. Don't get complicated with dichroic.

[scavo]

Scavo glass has a rougher texture than frosted glass and appears to be on top of the glass where as frosted glass is ether blasted or etched. I agree with Christine that yours is frosted not scavo.

Not all scavo (excavated - but not really, just made to look that way) glass is from Murano. LaFiore (Spain) do quite a bit and I've seen examples from China and Taiwan.

IDing hand made glass is very difficult without either a signature or a sticker (even then are you 100% the sticker is the right one? - are you sure of the provenance).

Glass nuts? I can only speak for myself. I love glass but not any more than I love ceramics, wooden carvings, stainless steel, silver, paintings, mid century moderne furniture,  ... for me this is an excellent resource and friendly community to help ID the glass I find that I can't ID myself.

[TxSilver]

For Italian glass, we usually say "satinized" instead of frosted. I believe it is usually done with a mild acid in Italy.

[scavo]

Thanks for an addition of correct terminology, Anita.

[angel2]

 :angel: :angel:

For me, satin / satinized glass is quite a bit smoother than frosted and doesn't have what is to me that rather unpleasant rough feel to the glass. 

a2

[Scarvo]

Hi, these bulls are rough to the touch, not smooth or shiny at all, so if it isn't satinized/satin glass then do I simply describe as frosted (which to me feels smooth as well) - You are all so precise and well versed in your glass.

Thankyou so much for the replies, the bulls are now with a person to market them for me on Ebay - I pass all these messages onto her so thank you for everything.

I think they should be up by the end of the week.  She really wanted to narrow down to a maker - she sent me a link to a glass bull in scavo glass which looks not dissimilar to mine in tone/shade etc but is bigger and fatter (these are stylised and thin).  The bull has an attributation (possibly) to Alfredo Barbini.  My friend said we could say the same but it appears that nobody here has mentioned that name therefore I believe we shouldn't.

[angel2]

 :angel: :angel:

Hi!   :hi:  I use the terms 'satin' and 'frosted' as I see fit, not as 'scientific ' terms and you use what you feel suits the item. Plus, you may have a maker suggested to you yet; TXSilver is quite an expert, for example. Also, Rosieposie knows masses about glass birds / animals and if she doesn't know, she often finds out very quickly. She's a brilliant researcher. The very best of luck.    :X:

a2

[Lustrousstone]

If they feel rough, then they have been "sand" blasted and not acid etched. The roughness implies lesser quality to me...as the coarser the "sand" the cheaper it is to buy.

[angel2]

 :angel: :angel: 

 :hj:    Oooohhhhhh!!!! I hate the feel of what I think of as frosted, like nails / chalk down a blackboard.   :grrr:

a2