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Red marbled vase with enamel, Loetz Marmoriertes Carneol? or Harrach? other?
flying free:
Thank you for sharing :)
Unfortunately neither of those vases are the same colour as mine, nor the same shape, nor do they have the foot as mine does and nor can I match the enamelling :(
In colour and decor my vase is a match for the vase in Truitt's under Loetz page 87 no 1 Carneol. Regarding the enamelling, the little 5petal flower and leaf sprig is like the one on page 87 Loetz 2. Onyx. I'll find my other reference for th enamelling and post it here.
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flying free:
I'm no further forward on matching the shape of my vase to either Harrach or Loetz so far, but further to some discussion comments earlier in the thread:
‘… I've seen very few pieces of Loetz that had any type of numbers at all on the base, but the few examples I've seen tended to be Roman numerals on Victorian era Loetz glass. ‘ on page 4 of this thread
And
‘Loetz never marked vases like this. Loetz designations had roman numerals and then a number. Sometimes their earlier pieces just had four numbers in gold. ‘ on page 5 of this thread
For future reference, I just wanted to add some links to a Loetz Octopus vase that is on sale at the moment.
There is a very clear picture of the base and on the base:
- It is marked in whitish enamel rather than gilding.
- It is marked 'Patent 9159' with the word 'Patent' written in script and sitting a line above the numbers inside a polished pontil mark.
I'm assuming since it is a patent mark that the mark belongs to Loetz and refers to the decor and/or shape rather than the enamelling on the vase, which, in this case, actually only has gilded decoration on the background of the vase as far as I can see, and no white enamelling on it.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Wonderful-Loetz-Octopus-Vase-in-Great-Condition-1885-88-/300869309786
Unfortunately the link will disappear in time but hopefully this will remain as a reference.
I'll keep searching for a shape match :)
m
flying free:
see my most recent post above and
Just to add, unless I'm missing something and it's quite possible, I've been through Truitt's Bohemian Glass 1880-1940 and there is no piece in there in this Marmoriertes/Karneol/Onyx under Harrach.
And neither is there a piece in the Harrach From Neuwelt to the Whole World book. I'm a bit mystified. If Truitt's photographed pieces from the Harrach museum/depository and there are none in the book, and the actual Harrach book doesn't contain any pieces either why would that be?
If I've missed one and anyone has the books to check, please do let me know.
m
flying free:
Sorry no match yet for the shape for either Harrach or Loetz, but I just wanted to add a Loetz vase that is marked with numbers
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/69054-loetz-medici-with-vienna-secession-silve
m
azelismia:
that marking is specific to pieces with silver overlay from that company. it's the silver overlay makers markings not loetz markings. the way this is marked is typical of Harrach. I am 100 percent sure of this. I have so many Harrach pieces marked with P.xxx and i have seen so many more marked this way.
If this is loetz I'll eat my hat :)
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