yes sorry I knew that and should have gone back and quoted - Collectible Bohemian Glass 1880-1940 by Robert and Deborah Truitt.
Christine I can see what you mean and they aren't made in the same way.
Also, I have been looking through Gulliver's 'Victorian Decorative Glass British Designs 1850-1914' and there are some vases in there which have a cut and polished rim

Without wishing to divert the thread (sorry John) I must just say though that the last vase linked to by John on The Gilded Curio, I am pretty certain is the same decor as no 6 page 131 in Truitt's Bohemian Glass 1880-1940, and it is classified in there as Welz

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