Topic: Same vase but 2 differing attributions Fenton & Victorian - which is correct?

[wolkenreb]

I'm curious to know which listing in Ebay is correct.  They are both 5.5" hobnail vases, same shape.  One listing describes it as a Fenton 1940s vase, the other as a Victorian c1890 vase.

Anyone know which one is correct? 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OLD-40s-FENTON-BLUE-HOBNAIL-OPALESCENT-ART-GLASS-ROSE-BOWL-51-2-H-VASE-/320848075643?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab4091b7b

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victorian-Cranberry-Opaque-Glass-Bubble-Vase-Circa-1890-/290692329743?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item43ae9cf10f

[Ohio]

Fenton.

[obscurities]

Is there a Fenton reference for the shape? I could not locate one.

[Ohio]

Craig I'm certain its in one of the Whitmyer books, however my neice has both of mine that I gave  to her a couple of years ago or I'd be able to be more specific. This body had about four or five different top crimp designs over the years with different names. If Dr. Measell pops in he can tell you immediately. Ken

[dculvyho]

The online catalogs at the fenton fan club do not have that pattern.  They indicate on that site that Fenton made the blue opalescent color on and off since 1907.  I did a search for 1940's fenton and found the pattern on the replacement web site but it is in white.  It does seem to be Fenton made some time between 1939 and 1950.  The time line on the fan club site states the hobnail design was introduced in 1939.  The first link is the fenton catalogs.  the second link is replacement web site.   The third link is the fenton time line.  On replacements if you scroll down almost to the bottom of the page you will find 5 1/2'" Octagonal Crimp Vase listed in blue lettering.  Click on it for a picture.

http://www.fentonfan.com/catalog.htm

http://www.replacements.com/webquote/FENHOB.htm

http://www.fentonfan.com/timeline.html

Doug

[jsmeasell]

Previous poster has done good work ... both items are indeed Fenton. Note the bottom area of these vases, i. e., a marie for snapping up. This eliminates the need to stick up on a punty and the inevitable fall off in production.

[wolkenreb]

Thank you all so much and for all the helpful information!