Topic: Studio? Organic shape vase,internal colours bubbles + four pinched trails

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JP, do you really think there is any possibility this could be a one off Whitefriars piece?  I thought I'd better clarify as I wasn't sure I'd followed your last post. 
The way it is constructed as far as I can see is that the interior layer is plain, the bubbles and the black splash and spots are then in the middle layer, then it has a further plain layer over the top - at the neck you can just feel the patch of bubbles on the outside where the external cased layer has been pulled thin and  is less thick than the body of the vase.  The neck is drawn up and is thinner than the body of the vase but then has been folded at the rim inside to create a thicker rim.  The trails seem to have been pinched out of the body rather than stuck on if that makes sense.

Sue, I've been trying to take photos of my crackle vase to show how that has been made, in answer to your question about how the one I linked to has been made.  I think, if mine is the same, it is crackled on the inside layer, then the middle layer has the 'painted splashes' applied to it, then the whole is cased in a thick layer of glass.  I've attached a couple of photos of my blue crackle with paint effects, to show this effect ( I hope - although photographing it was a nightmare). You can feel the crackle on the inside of my blue vase.
 
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[johnphilip]

Well M over the years i have seen some really weird nobblys that have gone very wrong and quite often i have seen a piece of Whitefriars where a piece of stray colour has got into the mix or on the iron especially after a liquid lunch , remember those guys were working in tremendous heat , its worth asking Emmi she is very familiar with nobblys so i hear . Also i believe some strange ones were made at Adam Aas studio .... i didnt get to go to that .
I also seem to remember seeing one or two with cracked off unpolished pontils and a slightly pushed in base ,  if someone wanted to take a dodgy one out  of the back door it would miss the pontil polishing stage . i know that for a fact .

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ok JP thank you.   I'm with you and I could go along with that, but for the bubbles.  They are deliberate and have been deliberately formed to appear in patches I think...I honestly don't think they are accidental.  Also the pushed up base is quite deeply pushed up not slightly indented.  However.. that said, I'm keeping an open mind  and putting Whitefriars on my list of possibles.
Thanks again
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[johnphilip]

Well the bubbles do sound a bit confusing if they are delberate but you do see a few unexpected bubbles in some W/Fs  items , i would also like to see if Adam Aaronsen can add anything at all . jp
Why not stick a couple of pictures on whitefriars.com isit section because several members went to the demo on nobblys at Adams and some specialise in the range . It may even be a trial piece or Kingsware .

[flying free]

I'm not sure how to do that but I will try  thank you again.  I've attached a picture which is the best I can do to show how the bubbles are in definite patches and only in certain parts of the vase.  They aren't at all like the odd stray bubble if you know what I mean.

Sue, actually the vase that you asked about is in the V&A collection and they describe it as being made in two layers
see here
http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O1666/vase/
I've found a gap in the decor of my blue crackle where I can show better how the crackle and colour layers work (see 3rd pic below).  I think mine is done in the same way as the one in the V&A, but it has a very  thick casing of glass on the base.  But you can also see how thick the layers are with the 'painted' layer being completely separate.
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[johnphilip]

Hi M having seen the clearer pictures i am drifting away from WFs but i have heard the kingsware glass was of poorer quality often with bubbles , one of the King brothers ( ex Whitefriars) works with Adam Aa .

[johnphilip]

Hi M your first pictures wouldnt enlarge on my sceen but having seen and enlarged the later ones i would forget W/Fs  i dont know a lot about Kingsware . I believe W/Fs.com may have their catalogue .

[flying free]

JP thank you for looking and taking time to go through them again  I've had a look at hundreds of W/F now so am with you on it not being W/F.  I've checked Kingsware and I'm sure it isn't as well.
I'll keep searching. 
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I was checking another piece of glass today and put the blacklight tube on this vase, it gives off an intense dirty dark yellow glow.  I'm sure this isn't a recognised/infallible method of dating but much of my old glass has this colour glow, presumably due to manganese used as a decoloriser.  None of my more 'modern' studio or other glass has this intensity or murkiness of yellow glow.  I'm still thinking this is an older piece than the 60's/70's or more recent era of studio glass.
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[flying free]

Still going down the same path lol, rightly or wrongly, but I've been curious as to how the maker only ensured the bubbles were in patches rather than all over.   I was reading my new book acquisition last night (The Art of French Glass - Janine Bloch-Dermant)
and came across two Galle pieces with this effect and an explanation (I'm not suggesting my vase is Galle BTW  lol)
page 118 plate 185 'Air bubbles simulating drops of water result from the "projection of materials emitting vapours that, on contact with the crystal in the process of fusion, are able to form bubbles". '
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