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Skrdlovice collectors thread, part II
rocco:
Anik, thanks for your input! :)
I have not thought a second that this could be a different pattern than 5656 (which doesn't mean that I am right).
It is only 12 cm high, so smaller than the one pictured in the book I linked to.
But I think the "S"-shaped hotworked decoration of both pieces is quite distinctive (and matches the drawing perfectly); pics of these hotworked patterns are a little bit misleading due to the distortions through the thick glass...
If you compare the drawing of the 5678 in the pattern book with my blue vase the shape is quite different as well.
It is already the second of these smaller ones I have seen here, and the other one was almost identical, a little bit more ball-shaped perhaps.
BTW, I could have bought one of those 4-footed Zemek bowls yesterday, but I resisted...
Michael
bOBA:
To my eye this is not really a straight match for the Jindrich vase as seen in other examples of this pattern, I agree the blue and green one is, as are the more common dark green ones. Even the Raban book has a near accurate attribution except for the date(!) and perhaps height even.
This example could be a reverse of the Jindrich pattern, at an angle, almost a mirror image in my opinion, which I have seen occasionally for other patterns, but I don't see it as a straight match for the ordinary Jindrich pattern, I tend to sympathise with Aniks comment.
This is at least the second time in this long, enjoyable thread I have been uncertain about attributions. This is an issue, because, unlike normal GMB individual posts about pieces, where we are free to discuss and have filed separately attributions, discussions being sandwiched here in a long thread, makes it seem not so free and easy to discuss attributions, which makes me more cautious about commenting on Skrdlovice within this thread (other than on obvious pieces). I would rather comment about attribution in an attribution thread....... tricky... (though I am sure it is a Skrdlovice piece.....)
I am not sure if it would be more efficient to post Skrdlovice pieces separately, before being added to a Skrdlovice thread or something by moderators...... certainly I can see this issue happening again, I hope my point can be understood.... it is not a major issue affecting most of the posts but is relevant to a few. There will eventually be a post that is not even Skrdlovice and mods may be asked to remove it! But ambiguous or unusual attributions may deserve their own posts.... commenting on attributions within this post seems slightly difficult to me, I hope this is clear. I would add that I think the thread is generally accurate and impressive and enjoyable,
all the best
Robert (bOBA)
rocco:
Oops.
Thanks for setting me straight, Robert!
Now I am feeling really stupid.
I had thought I was quite good in attributing 1950s Skrdlovice (and I am sure we all agree that's what this little vase is).
I didn't even realize that the pattern was the other way round. ::) I only seemed to follow the general idea of the design (which is not very different to the Jindrich Beranek pattern).
I will be more cautious in my future attributions, and I think it is a good idea to start an ID thread if the pattern is not easily recognizable.
But on the whole I agree that the thread is very accurate; not a single non-Skrdlovice/Beranek piece in it I am sure, and usually the correct PNs as well.
My two other pieces which escaped ID so far, both labeled, are my beautiful tall vase and this flattened vase David and I have discussed in a different thread (I was doing hazardous attributions. Again.)
I do hope that you will still contribute a lot in this thread, Robert!
Michael
bOBA:
Thanks Michael, it is, as all Skrdlovice collectors would agree a 50's Skrdlovice piece, many of us have pieces that are hard to attribute for certain from this period, I have a couple of difficult ones and so does David and Anik in their collections. I think variability of hand made production is responsible in most cases and a few pieces may never be completely "solved," happily, most can be,
Robert (bOBA)
Anik R:
I was very happy to get a Petr Hora 7911 bowl which matches the vase I got back in December (pictured below). It's a massive piece -- 8cm tall, 12,5cm wide and weighs 1985g. The glass is 2,5cm thick.
It has got a bruise midway down, but no one has to know...
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