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flying free:
I think I was mistaken about the rose canes in my weight.  There are something like 12 or so rose canes and having looked very closely at them, there seems to be two different kinds - most are plain white with green sepals, but the little pink complex canes I pointed out on the previous message actually seem to be the middles of some of the rose canes.  I have now found a good example of one right on the edge which is white with the complex pink centre and also has green sepals. (see top pic below)
It also seems where there are what looked like the twin pink millefiori, it is in fact two rose canes with pink centres sat squished together - there are two sets of these, but one set has another blue and green cane put between it to separate the pink middles.
I'm not sure if this helps or confuses things. I'll add some more close up pictures which may help a bit

flying free:
a couple more pics
green tubey type cane with a cobalt blue flower centre ( I have found one similar to this with the green tube surround canes) top picture just to off centre to the right and down.
and a blue tubey type cane with flower centre
m

flying free:
I think what has happened with what looks like the 'twin' sets of pink flowers is that the flower cane had been split open lengthways and what would have been the middle pink tubes that formed the complex flower centre have either been curled upwards at each end and into the middle, thereby showing the ends of the group of 5 tubes as two flowers, or have been cut and put in specifically like that (although goodness knows how as it must have been fiddly to do if possible).
These rose canes look like those I have seen identified as Clichy rose canes, however I have found a Baccarat weight, or rather two weights, that have the white tubes with green stars in the middle that form the outer ring of the large millefiori in my weight.  The centre of the millefiori in those weights though, differs from the centre of mine.  Does anyone know if Clichy used these white with green stars in the middle please?
If I am looking in entirely the wrong area please do let me know.
many thanks
m

KevinH:
Hi "m",

Sorry for delaying with this response, but I kept getting sidetracked from looking for info about weights like yours. I have now found what I was thinking about ...

2011 Annual Bulletin of the Paperweights Collectors Association, Inc.
Article by Paul Dunlop (pages 5 thru 10) titled "Who Am I? Part 2".

In the article, it is commented that the general attribution of "Bohemian" has been used for many weights of unknown manufacture, but that research has now enabled groupings to be proposed and "European Factory 8" has been used for weights with elements like yours.

There are two overall features that make me think your weight is one of those.
a) the colours and general form of the weight are very much in keeping with one shown as Figure 7 in the article
b) the distinctive central cane of your weight has colours and features that are very close to those shown in canes illustrated in the article as Figures 31, 32 & 33. This is especially true of the particular style of six-point stars set in an outer band of the complex cane.

I have not attempted to compare details of rose canes or other types.

Also, for info, there is a weight with the same style canes illustrated as "concentric 13" in the "Antique Bohemian" section of the PCC's 1999 Christies Exhibition. To locate, click here then select "Events" from the menu and "Past exhibitions" from the drop-down list. Then scroll to the bottom of the page and click on "Index here" next to "1999 Christie's, London". Finally click on the link beneath "Bohemian" in the "Antique" section and then click on the weight "Concentric 13" for a larger image.

In summary, it is clear that the maker of many so-called "Bohemian" weights is still not known but that by building up groups of weights, further research may eventually be able to identify some makers (as has happened for the French makers St Mande and Grenelle).

Until then, your weight has no confirmed maker but is definitely of interest.

flying free:
Kev thank you so very much  :)  I really appreciate you and Nicholas sharing your knowledge so generously. I had found another paper on antique Bohemian weights somewhere on the net, but there were not enough photos for me to find comparison.  I would not have found this in a month of Sundays. 
The rose canes in the item 'concentric 13' are also the same as those in my weight that have the complex pink centres I believe.  The centre star in the middle of the centre cane is also the same as that found in some of canes in my weight - I feel there is little doubt it has come from a similar source, whereas every Clichy or Baccarat I looked at gave me doubts.
I will keep checking to see if there are any developments on identifying sources of the weight now. 
Thank you so much.
m

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