Topic: Blue,white,green and touch of red scramble millefiori

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I think I have 10 in total so far that could be linked.  I can't show links to them all but descriptors here:

- There are 5 including mine that I think could be by the same hand possibly?  can't explain why but they look thoughtfully placed somehow:

So that is mine (pic attached below of mine from top but lighting bad so colours look dull), plus

PWTs scramble with central large cane - link to rose cane and other canes
https://www.pwts.co.uk/images-sale%2010/7203m.jpg,

Christie’s Concentric -    Link to three canes – no 316
https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-two-paperweights-mid-19th-century-4545491/?from=searchresults&&pos=10&intObjectID=4545491&sid=03c6362c-503f-4e19-9415-d6a93c574dfe&page=5

Boisgirard - Link to rose and green tubey canes
https://www.boisgirard-antonini.com/lot/grenelle-presse-papiers-a-motif-de-panier-millefiori-compose-de-trois-cercles-c-3/

Boisgirard – Link to complex canes (transposed colours) and rose canes
https://www.boisgirard-antonini.com/lot/grenelle-presse-papiers-a-motif-de-deux-cercles-concentriques-lun-compose-de/


- There are 4 more which have more red in them and are scrambles and have a link via I think at least the white rose canes with green sepals but no centre and possibly some have the rose canes with 6 pink squashed tube centres,  but they don't have the same kind of careful placement as those 5 above it seems to me:

Selman red  https://www.theglassgallery.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/021.jpg
 
Christies scramble
https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-a-clichy-type-macedoine-weight-probably-continental-mid-19t-4351550/?from=searchresults&intObjectID=4351550&sid=481e054b-df8b-481c-8f02-9b03458bfa2

Plus possibly two more which I can't show.


- There is one more which is similar in spirit and colour but again, not carefully placed, is a scramble but no centre cane and the canes appear to be simpler to my eye but it's difficult to compare on this one:

See number 320
https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-a-patterned-blue-ground-millefiori-french-mid-19th-4545497/?from=searchresults&pos=73&intObjectID=4545497&sid=a2876434-2366-46d7-bb54-01f47443db1a

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The man who bought the patent from Apsley Pellat was  Honoré Boudon de Saint-Amans - he is well documented.  The similarity of name to St Mande is just coincidence.

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Thank you for clarifying that Alan.  Much appreciated.



There are similarities in the design of the 4 large canes with circles of stars around the centre cane in this weight.  Love the colours.  Not the same as the ones on my weight but very similar to the 4 different types in my weight:

https://scottishantiques.com/paperweights/American-European/Rare-Early-Silesian-Bohemian-Paperweight

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close up of a couple in mine for comparison

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- re the green tubes cane.  There are two where it's possible to just about see the detail. They aren't just green tube canes, the green tubes surround and have a centre of, a blue flower.
At first I thought this was just another cane part but the other one doesn't have a cane like that near it and it's just possible to see a half ish of the blue flower poking out.

- On the Christie's Concentric - it was sold in 2005 as a Clichy. It's tiny compared to my weight:
https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-4545489
Quote from Sale:
'DETAILS

A Clichy miniature close millefiori weight
MID 19TH CENTURY
The canes predominantly in shades of green, white and blue, enclosing a white rose and a pink rose (slight chip)
1 5/8 in. (4.1 cm.) diam.'

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There is one tube cane in my weight. It appears fairly plain in design compared to the stars canes, star circled canes and the roses.
It has a green interior, cased in white, cased in red and then cased in blue. 

This pic should show it and also the other squashed green tubey cane with the blue and white flower centre:

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is this a star link at all?

The white 6 point star in my weight in the centre of a cane, appears in the various guises in the Clichy Concentric (Christie's)
https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-4545489 
(Cane at 1 o clock in this picture - weight 316 which I believe is the same cane the blue one with stars seen in the Boisgirard weight below)

 and also appears in the Boisgirard Grenelle weight with the salmony coloured canes  (the big blue canes have an outer circle of green stars, then two inner circles of blue stars then a central white star I think the same cane as that in the Christies' weight above)
https://www.boisgirard-antonini.com/lot/grenelle-presse-papiers-a-motif-de-deux-cercles-concentriques-lun-compose-de/

 and also appears here in the Clichy vase in the Corning (very difficult to find - it's half way between left hand side of vase and the Clichy name cane and down a bit - it's 6 white 6 point stars surrounding what seems to be perhaps a small white rose cane?):

https://www.cmog.org/artwork/millefiori-vase-1


They also appear on as white stars against a green background in a cane on these vases:
https://www.rubylane.com/item/161143-A4436/Ex78traordinary-Offering-Museum-Quality-Antique-Clichy

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There are only 4 I can find that can definitely be linked via cane matches:


1) - Mine

2) PWTs scramble with central large cane - link to rose cane and other canes
https://www.pwts.co.uk/images-sale%2010/7203m.jpg,

3) Christie’s Concentric -    Link to three canes – no 316
https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-two-paperweights-mid-19th-century-4545491/?from=searchresults&&pos=10&intObjectID=4545491&sid=03c6362c-503f-4e19-9415-d6a93c574dfe&page=5

4) Boisgirard – Link to complex canes and rose canes (the one with the orange cane outer surround)
https://www.boisgirard-antonini.com/lot/grenelle-presse-papiers-a-motif-de-deux-cercles-concentriques-lun-compose-de/




There are 4 more which have more red in them and are scrambles and have a link via I think at least the white rose canes with green sepals but no centre and possibly some have the rose canes with 6 pink squashed tube centres,  but they don't have the same kind of careful placement as those 5 above it seems to me:

5) Selman red  https://www.theglassgallery.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/021.jpg
 
6) Christies scramble
https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-a-clichy-type-macedoine-weight-probably-continental-mid-19t-4351550/?from=searchresults&intObjectID=4351550&sid=481e054b-df8b-481c-8f02-9b03458bfa2

7) and 8 ) Plus possibly two more in a book which I can't show.



There is one more that may have similar rose canes and contains green tubey cane groups
Boisgirard - Link to rose and green tubey canes

9) https://www.boisgirard-antonini.com/lot/grenelle-presse-papiers-a-motif-de-panier-millefiori-compose-de-trois-cercles-c-3/



There is one more which is similar in spirit and colour but again, not carefully placed, is a scramble but no centre cane and the canes appear to be simpler to my eye but it's difficult to compare on this one:

See number 320
10) https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-a-patterned-blue-ground-millefiori-french-mid-19th-4545497/?from=searchresults&pos=73&intObjectID=4545497&sid=a2876434-2366-46d7-bb54-01f47443db1a


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There are only 4 I can find that can definitely be linked via cane matches:


1) - Mine

2) PWTs scramble with central large cane - link to rose cane and other canes
https://www.pwts.co.uk/images-sale%2010/7203m.jpg,

3) Christie’s Concentric -    Link to three canes – no 316
https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-two-paperweights-mid-19th-century-4545491/?from=searchresults&&pos=10&intObjectID=4545491&sid=03c6362c-503f-4e19-9415-d6a93c574dfe&page=5

4) Boisgirard – Link to complex canes and rose canes (the one with the orange cane outer surround)
https://www.boisgirard-antonini.com/lot/grenelle-presse-papiers-a-motif-de-deux-cercles-concentriques-lun-compose-de/




There are 4 more which have more red in them and are scrambles and have a link via I think at least the white rose canes with green sepals but no centre and possibly some have the rose canes with 6 pink squashed tube centres,  but they don't have the same kind of careful placement as those 5 above it seems to me:

5) Selman red  https://www.theglassgallery.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/021.jpg
 
6) Christies scramble
https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-a-clichy-type-macedoine-weight-probably-continental-mid-19t-4351550/?from=searchresults&intObjectID=4351550&sid=481e054b-df8b-481c-8f02-9b03458bfa2

7) and 8 ) Plus possibly two more in a book which I can't show.


   



There is one more which is similar in spirit and colour but again, not carefully placed, is a scramble but no centre cane and the canes appear to be simpler to my eye but it's difficult to compare on this one:

See number 320
10) https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-a-patterned-blue-ground-millefiori-french-mid-19th-4545497/?from=searchresults&pos=73&intObjectID=4545497&sid=a2876434-2366-46d7-bb54-01f47443db1a


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Re the following:
5) 6) 7) and 8 )
I have looked at these red scrambles again and I can't see a link between them and the First 1- 4 above.  I think the roses are different


9) There is one more that may have similar rose canes and contains green tubey cane groups  however I am not entirely certain the inner centres would squash to a rectangular shape if squashed so I cannot be sure this is a link
Boisgirard - Link to rose and green tubey canes

9) https://www.boisgirard-antonini.com/lot/grenelle-presse-papiers-a-motif-de-panier-millefiori-compose-de-trois-cercles-c-3/


This brown and white one has a similarity in the inner 3 circles of stars in terms of number of stars per circle:
https://scottishantiques.com/paperweights/American-European/Rare-Early-Silesian-Bohemian-Paperweight
There also may be the right colour green in the frit in the base as there seems to be a mossy colour green and also a bluer grass green.  The green in the First 1-4 which are linked by canes is a grass green. 

So in summary I think there are only 4 that can definitely be linked.

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Alan, re Grenelle - and Charles Bredgen, the only reference I came across was one from 1855 where a C Biedgen fils, Cristallerie de Grenelle was mentioned.  Is this a typo in the original document 'Annuaire General du Commerce et de l'industrie ...'?
See page 1967, last line of middle column and top line of column second from right:

https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Annuaire_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9ral_du_commerce_et_de_l_i/n2ZCAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=presse+papiers+grenelle&pg=PA1967&printsec=frontcover


Difficult -  another link  shows it as 'Bredgem' with an M on the end.  How annoying.

 

I've also noticed that in the above listing right under the listing of Biedgen (C.) there is
'CARON (V.) filigrane, torsine et crist.de coul.'

No address is given.  Could it be that at the same premises as Biedgen C ( Bredgem / Bredgen  / Bredghem ) there was a part of the premises selling filigrana and twists etc.?

There is no mention of millefiori or murrine.