Topic: Enigma Jug

[Tigerchips]

Here's a picture of a jug I bought a while ago.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture%201526.jpg

It looks like Le Casson's jug but the lip is more like Ivo's jug. That might rules out the curved over lip as being a way to identify Moser from the Smrckova jug.

Look what I just found http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7408482771 an enigma in uranium without mould lines but with handmade seams instead

The handle on that one seems to be more rounded in the centre so we have three variations of design, er, I think.

The seam also appears on the inside of the handle on my jug and it's very wonkey looking so I guess that means it has handmade seams? The seam goes round in a full circle. Not litarally a circle though, more of an oblong circle if you know what I mean.  :roll:

As Nigel points out, there is yet another similar one.  :shock:

[Lustrousstone]

I was being a bit sarcastic about hand made seams! If it didn't need a mould it wouldn't need seams

[Max]

Just to add more fuel to the Enigma fire.  I think this one has only an indentation one side to act as the handle.  In other words, the handle isn't totally separate from the body of the jug:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&item=300006546349&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1 Mod: Dead link

More pics in a couple of days if anyone wants them.  :wink:

[chopin-liszt]

:shock:

I've just picked up one of these, the same as Marcus' one, not the others. It's 22cm tall, 8cm at the base. Handle in line with the barrel shape, slightly wobbly top rim.

I'd say there are no mould lines at all.

Obviously, the handle is formed by cutting the hot glass and reforming the shape - much like some vases you see with holes through them. There are lines inside the handle which, to me at any rate, confirm this.

This is an exceptionally difficult and complex thing to do with hot glass!

[Sklounion]

Hi,
Just to throw this into even greater confusion, I have been sent an e-mail by Eddy Scheepers, of www.loetz.com with a image showing two of these jugs, in the Passauer Glasmuseum. The Museum's attribution.....Harrachov...... which possibly means at least three manufacturers making very similar items.
Regards,
Marcus

[catshome]

Hi Marcus,

I've tried the link but can't seem to navigate to the page with the illustration you refer to.  Can you help please?  I have one of these jugs too and will post a picture soon - just wanted to do as much research as I could first.

Thank you
Cat

[Sklounion]

Hi Cat,
I'm not sure which link is not working.
Regards,
Marcus

[catshome]

The Loetz link works but takes you to a home page and I couldn't find where to go from there for the picture of the two jugs.  Probably just me being a bit stooopid.......

Thanks
Cat

[Sklounion]

Hi Cat,
Currently I do not have Eddy's permission to publish the image, and tho' I am sure he would not mind... I must ask for consent. Eddy's image has these two styles of jugs side by side, but both types have been shown in this thread.
Regards,
Marcus

[catshome]

I found this thread confusing and fascinating.  Hopefully this won't just make it more confusing.

My jug is also 20cm high x 8cm base dia, almost perfect barrel shape.....so like Marcus's jug, and the "finish" looks more like the photo of Marcus's jug.  However, the spout is definitely more up than down, unlike Marcus's.  So either it's the same maker and, as has been suggested, the spouts vary, or it's different.

The only seam runs down the back of the handle, across and up the body and then back to the top of the handle.  It is well finished - very smooth - and took me a  while to find the seam at the back of the handle.

The top edge is very thick (c.7mm) and flat - I wondered if thickness of the glass might help narrow down IDs - or are they all very thick and flat at the top?

Although I can run a nail down the veins, the finish on the piece is very smooth under the flat of a hand.

Jug (white background)
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10086/smaller_enigma_jug_white_backDSCN1029.jpg

Jug (blue background)
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10086/smaller_enigma_jug_blue_backDSCN1037.jpg

Rim detail - sorry couldn't get it to focus
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10086/enigma_jug_rimDSCN1038.jpg

Seam detail
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10086/smaller_enigma_jug_seamDSCN1035.jpg

Thank you
Cat