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Breaking News Nailsea / Bristol hat found in charity shop in Bristol for £1.50
Baked_Beans:
P.S.
Info on Clevedon Court
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clevedon_Court
If you scroll down to 'interior' it mentions the Eltonware and Nailsea glass collections.
Also Paul , you could email your pics to them and they may be able to help with the pale green of your hat.......http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/clevedon-court/
ta Mike.
johnphilip:
Hi Mike i hope i didnt throw water on your BBQ i was just seeking more knowledge about something i know very little of . :-[ jp :'(
Baked_Beans:
Gerdayyy John , you just threw a shrimp on the bar-by and fanned the flames with a hat mate ;)
The good thing about my example is the half folded rim.....someone wishing to copy this style of Nailsea/Bristol hat and produce a re-pro. wouldn't fold the rim half way around. That's why I feel it's a genuine example of the period and this region yeeer in Bris'ol :P
Paul S.:
thanks for the information Mike - very interesting - obviously another book I need to buy :'( I've never found or bought any of what we might call real friggers - just don't seem to see them the places I go, but they're a whole world of interest on their own it seems. I was making the 'Midlands' suggestion for my hat, based on the colour of the door stops/dumps which were shown in my book, together with date, although you may well be correct in saying Nailsea. Personally, I think jp was justified in making his original comments - in effect what many of the books tend say about friggers i.e. that those pieces with the blobbed/flecked and stripey sorts of colouring are thought more likely to be Nailsea, whereas those of a flint or very pale colour are thought to be less likely from that factory. Dare say I'd have said something similar.
Remarkable that when buying your hat it should still have with it the original auction house receipt with their Nailsea provenance - it obviously meant a great deal to someone.
Smaller auction houses would probably admit they can't be accurate with everything, and it's perfectly understandable that in a general sale pieces such as our hats should be described as Nailsea, since that would be the assumption made by most people. Also true to say that glass travels..........the amount of mainland Europe pieces that can be found in local British boot sales for example, is amazing - it's possible mine may well have started life many hundreds of miles away from Rye - also perhaps yours from Bristol.
Are there any stones/seeds in your hat Mike?
I will try to email copies of my example as you suggest, and let you know what they say - and thanks again for the links, and trust you will let us have the results of your research after Clevedon Court have seen your hat. :)
P.S. Never been to Clevedon Court - NT membership now lapsed - but did do Tyntesfield once ............which if you like Victoriana, is an absolute must - a fortune built on seagull crap, apparently ;D.
Baked_Beans:
Hi Paul,
Yes this hat does have four little darkish seeds in it. I think it might be bottle glass...suggesting Bristol rather than Nailsea (It was the previous hat I owned which had the auction chitty not this one !)
The Nailsea hats like yours on display at Clevedon Court were made of pale green window glass and in Keith Vincent's book mentioned above he describes the glass like this......"The pale green (window glass from Nailsea) is not one uniform tint, but varies from a pale emerald green to a yellowish green to a bluish green (perhaps yours Paul) , and the actual intensity of the colour depends on the thickness of the metal and varies even in a single piece'
It's worth emailing Clevedon Court as they were very helpful with a couple of pots I had which I thought might be Eltonware. They are very interested to see examples of Eltonware and possible Nailsea glass !
I will let you know how I get on ....the problem is getting there as it's not often open and you have to make an appointment to look inside . Cheers Mike.
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