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Uranium Opalescent Rigaree/Trailed Bud Vase I.D Request

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flying free:
yes I would say that is a no to your question are any of the Welz vases discussed in that thread labelled :) 

It is difficult to identify unmarked glass but in my opinion, in order to do so, or at least provide credible attributions if pattern/design books are not available,  there has to be accountable  criteria applied to the process.
 
I maintain my comments that I cannot see any link at all to the vases identified on CW as Ruckl (with the one exception I mentioned that has a  link to shape albeit the vases in question are not the same), using the one labelled example that is there.  And I would go further and say that I find the links that have been made on CW questionable. 

By contrast, I find the information and the 'map' produced to identify Welz examples, using the identified pieces from the Tango glass exhibition and the vase in Truitt's, to be credible.

This is not about maintaining a stance to prove someone is right or someone is wrong.  It is about credible research and ensuring the correct maker is identified using robust and accountable processes to do so.

As I said, this is, of course, just my opinion :) 

m

dirk.:
Hi and welcome glasshoarder,

you´re right - none of the other examples are marked Welz. But... As has been said in this thread before the
only link between the labelled Rückl vase and the other examples is the colour of the outside spatter. Various
sources - books and museums - attribute the trophy shaped vases to Welz. I´ve seen them in the Novy Bor
museum and also in a tango exhibition two years ago.
Personally I tend to believe that the czech museums and exhibition makers have sources and evidences they
base their attributions on like catalogues etc.. Due to historical and political reasons only very few have been
researched and even less may have been published yet, but I´m sure they exist and are the basis for the
czech museums´ attributions.

edit: oops, we crossed, m.  ;D

obscurities:
Not a big "no', just a no. 

I confused the Nizbor and Vcelnicka dates as discussed in the posts on CW showing the Nizbor facility and a comment claiming the Vcelnicka label was 1903 based on a date and drawing on the Nizbor facility. I guess I really was not paying that much attention as I find the attributions to lack any real credibility or supportable evidence.... other than the labeled piece of course....

I still stand by my observation that the label can not be dated specifically to 1903 as has been done so profoundly.

Thanks for the clarification on the dates.  Really has no bearing on the discussion in this thread though.

Please feel free to respect this topic by starting one of your own regarding Ruckl.

And Welcome to the GMB, I look forward to your meaningful research contributions to enlighten us all regarding Ruckl and their production.

I would also add that I have started work on some Ruckl pages for my website, and will post examples that I can solidly link to their production using the same methods as I have used to develop an idea of Welz production.

I have already started that slow process using, of all things, images of Ruckl production as identified in the same Tango exhibition. It will quite interesting to see where those shapes lead.

Looks like I crossed paths with both of you...  :-)

Dirk. - I meant to ask you if the pink vase in that image in the right foreground is a single bulbous bottom, or a ribbed tri-ball bottom? Do you remember?

obscurities:
Glasshoarder.... I see you removed the Truitt I image from the post on CW in the last hour or so....  Good Job!!!    :-)

One thing I really like about the GMB is that information can not be removed or altered or manipulated days down the road.... You are kinda stuck with what you do and say after about an hour.....  It is a format that works in a much more professional,  constructive, and educational way than CW does.

Craig

dirk.:
Sorry, Craig, can´t remember how it looked like...  :-\

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