Topic: Treasure or trash? Bizzare glass ...

[rosieposie]

Well spotted m!  Looks like you got treasure not trash Wierdpuckett....keep us in the frame as to what you do with them.
Rosie. 

[Ohio]

What the auction states is its a signed Pairpoint Mahogany Base & that is accurate...they had these turned by a New Bedford company. Notice there is nothing stated about the shade being signed & no picture of the shade collar where the P within a triangle would appear. Now with an email to a Boston Pairpoint collector I did find out this shade has indeed been found on the L 417 base, but it has also been found on many different manufacturers lamps of this time period other than Pairpoint & since none of them are signed Pairpoint they are considered to be aftermarket. 

[flying free]

Sorry if I posted a misleading link,
 but in the item condition section right at the top  it said 'Signed Pairpoint Glass shade...'

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300875800137?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

and in the item description it says
'We are very proud to present this spectacular and RARE Pairpoint Manufacturing Co., 1915 to 1922, #C6132 1/2 Mahogany wood candlestick base, with a brilliant frosted silver to sunrise yellow ground swirl optic hurricane shade, with a gorgeous Birch tree & hedges, heavy hand painted finish enamel. The Mahogany base and matching shade form can be seen in Shade Shapes Papillon Through Windsor And Related Materials (second volume) / Plate #530 (bottom row) of the classic set by The Old Dartmouth Historical Society, entitled the Pairpoint Lamp Catalog. ...'

(my underlining)

If it's not the case, then they have managed to 'correctly write' their description by describing the bit about '...and matching shade FORM...' I guess

m

[Weirdpuckett]

I sold them on Ebay! My first auction was exciting( last 5 seconds anyway)....they found a new home in Ventura California!

[Ohio]

M part of the problem with these old catalogs are they are illustrated not photographs. I have the Pairpoint 1894 catalog & while the liiustrations are very well done when compared with the actual piece its just not the same as a photo. The lamp catalog is actually has hand colored illustrations. I too did notice the "shade form" , but auction companies are rather notorious for being creative, but thats why I contacted my Boston connection. Personally while I had never seen these shades before, he said you can find them on multiple lamp manufacturers products around 1910-1915 so they are early, its just manufacturer is not known.

[Ohio]

I sold them on Ebay! My first auction was exciting( last 5 seconds anyway)....they found a new home in Ventura California!

I'll wager you  did very, very well on the pair. They were superb & well executed. Well Mike I found them & you did do well. Congrats & for someone who said they had not sold on eBay before your pics & description were rock solid. Ken

[flying free]

Ken thanks for taking the time to explain.
I know what you mean about catalogues - I have a very hard time trying to judge the pieces even though they are depicted as coloured drawings - they just don't look the same - worse when it is the actual drawing pattern books... I really have a hard time visualising those pieces.
m

[Ohio]

M just for the fun of it I am attaching a legit catalog page from 1920. The catalog is 44 pages in size & illustrates all the products from this highly, highly respected U.S. glass company in (of all places) Corning NY....home of Steuben & like Steuben this company produced blown high quality glass. Now how would you like to attempt to decifer this in all 44 pages of its glory? Not a joke...this is their shapes catalog in 1920. Only in the U.S. would we do this.  Ken

[flying free]

 
the weird thing is though, I've been searching for three shapes in the WMF book for example, and difficult though it is to match to those odd drawings (and the WMF book has lots of photos as well) I cannot match the shapes - there are similar, and very similar, but none are 'quite the same'.  So I think the system does work probably, it's just a nightmare to navigate.
m

[Weirdpuckett]

I owe a great deal of gratitude to the many members here who did selflessly help me when I needed something to go on regarding those light shades!
You all rock! I am only finding broken dollar store porcelain now....maybee an occasional "TJ Max.....no Loetz, Kralik (I think I found a Murano but its really ugly!) I did find a scooby doo "Mystery Mystery Machine" tin!.thanks Y'all! Mike