Topic: Lily of the Valley-unidentified so far

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and the stems were lampworked - so I did wonder whether that might mean that perhaps a company like that could also make paperweights?
I don't really understand all the technicalities but it was just something that occurred to me.
m

[w8happiness]

Update January 2016

Hello everybody,

just a note that a fellow collector purchased 8 (eight) weights of this type recently all from one spot...(Germany).


The more important fact is, there is one on eBay now, coming from Belgium, along with Val St Lambert weights-
this could be significant or not, but a Belgian source was not yet considered...the twist canes could well have been
made at a Belgian glass work (not necessarily Val St. Lambert but who knows) as well....

cheers Erhard

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is the orange colour in this weight not significant?
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,51681.msg309346.html#msg309346

m

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would Lauscha /Thuringia be a possibility?
m

[w8happiness]

Hi and thanks a lot,

the problem is, my fellow collector who holds possibly the majority of this weight type is- among other fields- specialist in Lauscha and Thuringia/Silesia/questionable attributions- he would have noticed it!

There was a little hope with the cadmium orange for dating- but the colour was in use after the 1860ies in all Kinds of glassware,

Kind regards Erhard   

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this has nothing really in common with the lily of the valley weight but because it is 'rustic' it made me think of this one
I have seen plain paperweights with designs similar to this a few times but this is a strange item.  So thought I'd post it here just in case it might lead to something one day:
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/Wave/image/joconde/0372/m023603_00097_p.jpg

http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/joconde_fr?ACTION=RETROUVER&FIELD_98=LIEUX&VALUE_98=Vierzon%20&NUMBER=10&GRP=0&REQ=%28%28Vierzon%29%20%3aLIEUX%20%29&USRNAME=nobody&USRPWD=4%24%2534P&SPEC=3&SYN=1&IMLY=&MAX1=1&MAX2=1&MAX3=200&DOM=All

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This looks like it might have something in common with your paperweight.
The way the stems are twisted somehow.
Also the middle of the left hand flower has a coiled twisted red and white cane made - that's the best picture to be able to see it.


http://www.ebay.fr/itm/boule-de-sulfure-presse-papier-/282208612873?hash=item41b4f1b209:g:mPAAAOSw7XZXhRY-

m

[w8happiness]

Hi everybody,

yes the seller on eBay had several- I think I saw at least 8 to 10 examples- of this weight
type auctioned and actually sold within the last 2 years.

This massive concentration makes the origin from France (or a region close to France) very plausible...

Resuming, we have found the following types:

only one object with the common green twists ( one ashtray), other than paperweights, was seen but lost...

lily of the valley on green stems over clear ground- this seems to be the simplest version
the same over a foamy blue cushion
other flowers (sunflowers, dahlias, edelweiss, ....) over blue foam
...other colour grounds were observed, a Grey green opaque powder.

Most have a lying S-formed spiral of various colours under the flower- there are some without it.


For dating, I would assume that they were made at some time between 1918 and before 1936, and not
later, because the modest quality of the design would surely not have kept up with the big names as Baccarat, St. Louis and others,
starting again in the early 1950ies.

Moreover, their design relates more to "folk art" and less to flower designs made in the late 19th and early 20th century.
At last, the dome is made of a very excellent and bright clear glass in most cases, and has an UV reaction similar to St. Louis of the 1840ies- light salmon or lavender pink...

The prices realized have increased,

best wishes, E.



 

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Thank you for your update
Do you know what region the seller was from or where they bought the weights from?
m

[w8happiness]

Hi m,

a colleague asked the seller already but got no conclusive answer;
maybe the rising prices were a reaction to the request; so we stopped asking;
the seller's location is "metropolitaine" which means somewhere near Paris...

Maybe a regional Museum in France (there were many glassworks closed
in the 1950ies) holds more examples?

Kind regards, E.