Topic: Facet Cut Wine Goblet? I.d/Period Request.

[Otis Orlando]

Hi all,  I've got this goblet that shows a lot of signs of imperfections during the making. Possibly Georgion period glass?   The base is not flat(bowed) and slightly oval.  Striation lines are clearly visible on bowl and base areas.  Just between the lower part of the facet cuts, the area (groove) is jagged and rough.   My observation tells me that this area may have been difficult to polish, as it would affect the shape of the lower part of the facet cuts.  Please correct me if I am wrong, as I can see no other reason why this should of been missed. The stem is not symmetrical and has a 1cm elongated bubble.  The ball just below the stem, appears to be the only part that is limited on what we would deem in the 20th century as defects.  The overall height of the wine glass is 11.3cm in height.   The base dia. 5.9cm, thickness approx. 0.3cm.  About 0.6cm from the outer area of the base stand is relatively flat and then gradually declining toward the outer edge of the pontil.  The pontil dia. 1.8cm and slightly protrudes the outer edge surface, so leaving a curve/groove around the pontil area.  This area is pitted, however, polished.  The pontil area is slightly concaved and polished too.  I've also just noticed that the facet cuts, depths and lengths do vary around the bowl, which would suggest this area was hand cut.  The rim of the bowl is very thick, curved and clearly shows signs of ware/use.  When the goblet sits on a flat surface, I can visible see that the bowl and stem are out of alignment to the centre of the stand. By rotating the bowl area between my thumb and index finger, I can also see that the rim is very uneven, so would not if turned upside down sit on a flat surface correctly.  I'm hoping this all makes sense.  I've just ordered the Encyclopedia of Glass, so hopefully will get that within the early part of next week.  I've tried researching this goblet, but struggling to obtain any leads and appreciate any help you can provide. 

[Otis Orlando]

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[Paul S.]

hello Otis.                      The unusually thick base of the bowl might suggest this was possibly a dram or toastmasters glass  -  perhaps not quite fully a deception piece, but certainly the bowl has been made with less than expected capacity.      The thickness of this piece might also suggest it was for tavern or pub use and, again my opinion only, but I would suggest the second half of the C19 in date - so not Georgian.
This glass would have been made in three or even four pieces, and it's not uncommon to find some roughness and less than perfect joins where these separate parts came together.           The grinding/polishing of the decoration is (usually) is done at an angle of ninety degrees to the axis of the stem, so facets can get quite close to joins, but I guess there's a limit to the closeness before you end up decimating a largish collar such as yours. 
Hand made glasses from this period will always show the tool marks and striations, even though the piece may not be of very high quality - I'd be worried if they weren't there.
Best of luck with your new reading book - although I don't think the volume in question will give you an id for this glass, but hopefuly with help with overall knowedge.         This piece is one of those very general glasses - made in their masses - and usueful to have as an example but, as before, you're never going to find a maker, or possibly even a country of origin.         It might be British, but equally might not be.

I'd like someone else to give their opinion as to whether my thoughts on a dram/toastmasters glass might be valid or not  -  thanks      

[Otis Orlando]

Hi Paul, I would agree, it does now, looking at it again, appears to of been  made in 3/4 pieces.  It's a fair size weight, considering the overall size.  I had a feeling having talked about the previous goblet posted that a maker may never be found, however, I am more than pleased that it has some age, considering I only purchased it for 49p and then I had the audacity to ask if they had a set.      Hopefully, someone might recognise this piece, but want be too disappointed if they don't.   Yes! can't wait to get the book.    Thanks again for your help