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Author Topic: probable 'Graniver' by Leerdam.  (Read 3643 times)

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Offline Lustrousstone

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Re: probable 'Graniver' by Leerdam.
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2013, 07:07:45 PM »
I blame my several of my collections on coming here.. Mdina and other Maltese glass, paperweights, bulb vases

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Re: probable 'Graniver' by Leerdam.
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2013, 08:24:09 PM »
Not Graniver glass which has sand in it and it feels like it - but opaque uranium. Leerdam most probably - just not Graniver.

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Re: probable 'Graniver' by Leerdam.
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2013, 08:41:47 PM »
thanks Ivo - I had typed a reply to the other folk and you pipped me to the post  -  can you suggest an approximate date please.

What I was about to send was.................

quote................."and we have completely different tastes obviously as I think it's gorgeous"  .........  sorry m, all I can see is a retro style i.e. something from the 1950's - although some of the others you mention have a distinct deco style, and that is something I go for in a big way - deco never seems quite to go out of fashion. 
       
For me this has novelty interest only - it doesn't make me say 1920's ......  I'm trying to be more tolerant of other people's tastes  -  but is it my fault the world is full of philistines ;) ;) ;)
But to be serious for a moment...........
What is obvious in this pot is the granular appearance within the glass (although the surface is smooth) - I haven't the time this evening to follow up your links, but will look later, but there is a similarity with some of the grainy/gritty textures on other pieces you've linked.    But quite probably Leerdam as Ivo now suggests.       
Sorry to hear Dirk is blaming us for his expanding collection - time perhaps for another hug for him ;)

Christine - I'll consider parting with it, and let you know when I decide  - meantime thanks for all the thoughts and suggestions. :) 
 

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Re: probable 'Graniver' by Leerdam.
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2013, 08:45:27 PM »
http://www.etsy.com/listing/93520245/victorian-eapg-glass-honey-pot-condiment
clear glass one here - did you find this one Paul?
and another
both seem to have come from the States
http://www.etsy.com/listing/77431156/vintage-beehive-pressed-glass-covered

and this one is apparently a signed Imperial glass honey pot - pale blue version
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/466858

They look very similar to yours to me, with the caveat that the handle on the lid is flared on yours?
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Re: probable 'Graniver' by Leerdam.
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2013, 09:09:37 PM »
I think tmany of Imperial Glass ones are relatively new, there are loads on ebay. They are probably reissues. Have you checked under yours for a mark? The question is who made the original? Was it Imperial?

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Re: probable 'Graniver' by Leerdam.
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2013, 09:53:52 PM »
nope, hadn't seen the ones you mention m..............but you're right about the shape of the handle being different.         However, my pot does look and feel so new that I'm going to take a chance and part with it.
But, curiously, there are features of the design that are repeated quite accurately on most of the examples that you've linked tonight  -  for example the bee just above and to the right of the little door seems a constant in the design - makes you wonder how many separate moulds there might have been over the years.         As I mentioned, mine is devoid of marks, so no help there, and because of the nature of the glass, it's very difficult to detect genuine wear.         
thanks to all again for their words, and perhaps we may hear more on this at some time. :) 

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Re: probable 'Graniver' by Leerdam.
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2013, 11:15:31 PM »
Herein may be the problem...both IG & L.G. Wright made these although the top knot on yours has a grip. Now both IG & Wright bought old molds although Wright far more than IG & both were certainly not afraid to modify their molds so either you have an early version (EAPG period) or you have a late one that has been modified (top) by who knows who ended up with the IG & Wright molds. A laundry list of who bought Wright molds is: Fenton, Mosser, AA Importing, Castle Reproductions, L.E. Smith, Wilkenson Glass & finally Gibson Glass.

Edit: OK maybe I have a possible. L.E. Smith made the beehive honey for Martha Stewart & the top knot is a match for yours.

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Re: probable 'Graniver' by Leerdam.
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2013, 12:05:50 AM »
I am a very keen Leerdam collector and I did wonder if this might have been one of Hendrik Petrus Berlage's designs. I mention him because the base of the honey pot is octagonal, although I accept it is ornate and Berlage's design is very plain.
 
I know little about him except I believe he was also an architect and did design some geometric tableware for Leerdam.
 
I believe you mentioned him in your article on Leerdam Ivo.

This was one of his designs Paul:

http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/exhibitions/Avant-Garde/artwork/199210

I will keep looking and see if I come up with anything else of interest or use.

01.35  added:  Found this one with the same top as yours attributed to Dirk Copier:

                       http://www.in-stijl.com/    You will need to scroll down...
                       It is blue and claims to be Graniver.
Rosie.

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Re: probable 'Graniver' by Leerdam.
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2013, 06:07:53 AM »
This is Honeypot # 1941 which has been in production 1906 to the mid 1930s; height 13.5 cm, diameter 11.8 cm.  The honeypot in beehive shape has been in production for a relatively long period of time; this can be concluded from the fact that versions are known in graniver and colopal, materials which were developed in 1921 and the beginning of the thirties respectively.

information from "Geperst glas uit Leerdam", Thimo te Duits.

The material in this case is Colopal, so the honey pot is from the beginning of the thirties.

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Re: probable 'Graniver' by Leerdam.
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2013, 06:33:01 AM »
I think this is the page you were trying to show Rosie; it's one of those crafty websites http://www.in-stijl.com/ so this may not work

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