Topic: Pompeian Small Dish?

[Otis Orlando]

Hi, firstly I would like to say, I value your knowledge and expertise on the subject matter.  My concerns are, that I have not seen an original or one that is similar to the one posted during my research.  This makes it rather difficult for me and other none specialist to define what is fake and what is not fake.  Of course, the expert eye, in the right hands and stringent test will achieve better results.   I am just bewildered as to why someone would go through all that trouble to fake such an item as this, if that be the case.  Further more, if this dish............. is mass produced, why am I having difficulty in finding even one, other than mine?   I only can think, that this dish served some purpose other than for fraudulent reasons (and don't say food)  , in order to have sustained the ware that is clearly visible.   I am not entirely convinced that it is plausible to state this as a fake piece, even though I am aware of no mention of it being stated as fake.  There is something about this piece that I just cant put my hands on.  It doesn't feel like glass, even though it is.  If I were to date this piece, I would say late 19c, early 20c., which would be in line with your conclusion.  So please forgive me if I lead you to believe it was older than that.  I certainly want be giving my dish away in a hurry .

[oldglassman]

HI ,
           quote "   If I were to date this piece, I would say late 19c, early 20c., which would be in line with your conclusion. "

I am afraid this was not my conclusion , if you go back you will see this , 

" I think I would support the opinions already given that this is probably not very old and possibly recycled glass ,quite a few items of table ware much like this have popped up on eBay in the last year or so , I actually bought one , a shallow bowl with folded rim , almost the same colour bubbly glass and folded bowl rim , it was new !!!!, I gave it away so don't have a photo to show , I think the Middle east origin is very lightly" ,

I don't believe these items are made to deceive , they are cheap interpretations of an antique style,the reason you cant find an authenticated original in this form is that they don't exist,these are made for tourists with the basics of equipment needed the producers don't advertise so you wont find them on the net , they don't have money to advertise, the manufacturing conditions as I said are very very basic with poor quality materials.

quote,,,,,  I only can think, that this dish served some purpose other than for fraudulent reasons ,,,,,,, yes you are correct  tourist wares is the answer

you say,,,,,   I am just bewildered as to why someone would go through all that trouble to fake such an item as this,

again we are not talking fakes here , interpretations on an antique style I would say ,and to make them is no trouble at all , the actual time to produce one once you have the required basics , ie hot glass and a few tools would be a matter moments ,then after annealing a few more moments to apply the ware.

quote,,, There is something about this piece that I just cant put my hands on.  It doesn't feel like glass, even though it is."
  being recycled glass is probably the reason for this.

  You only have to visit the island of Murano to see thousands of new pieces of Roman glass all artificially aged and sold for peanuts to the tourists.

 I think to satisfy your curiosity on this item you would be best sending images to the' Corning Museum if Glass'.

Cheers,
                Peter.

[Otis Orlando]

Hi,   Correction! 'my conclusion'.   Excuse my ignorance, but when 'probable'  is thrown into a subject matter, surely this will raise concerns.   That is not to say any ones reasons, knowledge and experience is undermind and I hope this is not what I am trying to portray.   In order to understand, questions need to be asked.  From the information already gathered, has most certainly helped me understand how easy it is to fall into the web of 'none intentional deceit', had I put this up for auction, based upon my own assumption.

I don't believe these items are made to deceive , they are cheap interpretations of an antique style,the reason you cant find an authenticated original in this form is that they don't exist,these are made for tourists with the basics of equipment needed the producers don't advertise so you wont find them on the net , they don't have money to advertise, the manufacturing conditions as I said are very very basic with poor quality materials.

Yes, they maybe or are, quote: 'cheap 'interpretations of an antique style', however, they are unique, as not one is made the same.  My hypothesis, baring this in mind, is one hopes in time, these will be tailored to hold the same sort of value as current pieces made in the early/mid 20c.   There is something about this piece that I can now firmly put my hands on . 

Thanks to you all for your time and effort in contributing to this post.

[flying free]

is it raised slightly in the middle of the top of the plate? kind of like the pontil mark has been pushed in so the bit of the plate where you'd put your food isn't flat if you see what I mean?
I think it's one of the same as my set, of which I have 8 in two different colours, and which were made in Egypt ... a few years ago I think and still being made.
I'll try and find the link to them
edited - link here to mine - I know yours isn't exactly the same but I think the source probably is.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,49857.msg281573.html#msg281573
m

[Otis Orlando]

Hi m, yes I do see what you mean and your description details are correct.  The plate is raised around the pontil area.  Keith  did mention that it could be Egyptian also and within the thread was also along the same lines too.   I have also looked at the thread provided by NMott and too from this information/site, has also helped/answered my initial query.  If you look lower down the page, it is clear the bowl/plate are very similar.

http://www.maisondorient.fr/verre.htm

I think this is the first Egyptian blown glass I have ever owned.  There's something about the feel, simplicity that I really do like.   I will most certainly be now looking out for different coloured ones.  I thank you all for your help and really do appreciate the time and effort you have made.