Topic: Stevens and Williams Caerleon?

[glassobsessed]

There are no doubt variations but this is not bad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpPaq1LlJTw

I probably put slightly more emphasis on the ae in Caer but the leon is straightforward enough.

[Paul S.]

thanks John  -  all I now have to do is find a piece

[keith]

Similar piece ? 
http://blackcountryhistory.org/collections/getrecord/DMUSE_ST468/

[Lustrousstone]

Yet to find one the same shape but I'm confident it's Caerleon in the later blue

[flying free]

ooh that 's a good find Keith.  That looks very similar in the effect/finish to Christine's.
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[Lustrousstone]

Less blue in this one though and yellow rather than orange
It will be available for cuddling at the National; who's going apart from me, Sue, Suzy and John.

[David E]

Me & Patricia 

[rocco]

No help from my side, as I know nothing about S&W...
Just wanted to say that it is a totally gorgeous piece!

Michael

[flying free]

not for the first time, I'm confused between information in Charles Hajdamach's 20th Century British Glass and the Stevens and Williams book The Crystal Years by R.S. Williams-Thomas.
I picked up on something Christine said earlier in the thread about it being 'a later blue' and went back for a read through about the colours.
The Crystal Years page 23 says
'Caerleon
In 1919 Stevens & Williams LIghting Glass Factory at Tipton produced a range of fancy bowls, vases and jugs which were intended to copy the surface effect of Roman glass.  A range of picked-up colours were used and an iridescent surface effect gave the final detail'.

In 20th Century British Glass it says
''Caerleon' first appears in the Stevens and Williams pattern books on 1 January 1929 at pattern number 58564....' and goes on to describe the decor.

I've been picked up before when I queried something written in 20th Century British Glass v that in The Crystal Years and was told the Crystal Years was the definitive book (ref: the use of the colour Rose du Barry and that debate).

So, are they both right?  Did it first appear in the pattern books in 1929 as 20th Century British Glass says, but was actually produced 10 years earlier at the Lighting Glass Factory? or is there a typo in The Crystal Years?

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[Frank]

check Rakow library for pattern numbers, e.g. Description books, no. 33-36, ware 38108-42889, Nov. 2, 1907 - July 11, 1911. But note pattern numbers refer to the shape and pattern numbers were not always issued consecutively in pattern books (in general, not specific to S&W). But it would give some indication of earliest use. Hajdamach would have had access to the original pattern books.