Topic: Barrel-shaped lidded pot or jar, RD 563868, 1910 – precise registration details?

[agincourt17]

A barrel-shaped lidded pot or jar with a flat lid. Approximately 4 ½ inches high. Base bears embossed  registered design number 563868 and F E Co.

(Permission for the re-use of these images on the GMB granted by Lynne Clark).

RD 563868 should have been registered in May or June 1910.

The registration number is not listed at
http://www.great-glass.co.uk/glass%20notes/regnos07.htm

Is the number in the Blue, Book? If so, would some kind GMB member tell me the precise registration details, please?

Fred.

[Paul S.]

the Blue Book does provide details for 563868, which was Registered on 3rd June 1910  -  and this No. is linked with 563871 on the same date.
The book gives the Registrant as  -  De Grelle Houdret & Co.

[Anne]

It sure is, Fred. RD 563868 - RD 563871 were registered on 3rd June 1910 by De Grelle Houdret & co. - of whom I've not heard before! It'd be worth adding this to the lookups for Paul's next trip to see if the registration can add more to what I've found below...

NOTICE is hereby given that the Partnership heretofore subsisting between Charles Houdret and Jules Cornelius Houdret, carrying on business as Merchants and General Agents, at 130, London Wall, in the city of London, under the style or firm of DE GRELLE HOUDRET & CO., has been dissolved as from the 30th day of June, 1935. All debts due to and owing by the said late firm will be received and paid respectively by Jules Cornelius Houdret, who will continue to carry on the said business under the aforesaid style of De Grelle Houdret & Co., at 130, London Wall in the city of London.—Dated the 13th day of September, 1935. W. A. D. ENGLEFIELD, Painters Hall, (116) E.C.4, Solicitor for all partners.
Source: London Gazette, 17th September, 1935

http://sculpture.gla.ac.uk/view/organization.php?id=msib6_1238597477 gives more info about the firm, where they are describes as De Grelle & Houdret Co. Function: Marble cutter, marble decorator, marble importer

The National Archives have an image of some of their work here:
https://images.nationalarchives.gov.uk/assetbank-nationalarchives/action/viewFullSizedImage?id=366&size=800
with reference notes here: https://images.nationalarchives.gov.uk/assetbank-nationalarchives/action/viewAsset?id=366&index=0&total=1&view=viewSearchItem

But what is possibly more relevant to your enquiry is an advert in the Pottery Gazette 1 May 1890 › Page 38, which states De Grelle Houdret & Co (The Belgian Glass Co.)  http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/35734191/



The address for all the links I've given is the same: 130 London Wall.

[agincourt17]

Thank you, Paul and Anne - most informative, as always.

Yet another case of an unknown RD number producing lots of unusual and interesting leads.

I will add the numbers to the GMB RD lookup requests asap, Anne.

Fred.

[Paul S.]

How I don't know, but I overlooked this request when I was at Kew this week - so will have to wait for a few days.     Most annoying - especially as I have the details written down along with all the others and my own.

[Paul S.]

embarrassingly late, but if of any use there here goes...........

Kew pictures attached for these four lidded pots/jars - regret I've rather lost the plot and not sure now if we resolved the meaning of 'F E Co.' or not.          It's the first of these four Rds. that started this thread, and the original blue-print drawing for 563868 doesn't make any reference to, or show physically, that this particular Rd. included a plain oval space as part of the design - as in fact does appear on the jar shown by Fred.
However, the drawing for Rd. 563870 with the slanting style of decoration does indicate this oval type of window was available, and bearing in mind all four items appear to have been intended for some form of bottling or pickling of fruit etc., then perhaps it was intended they all had provision for a clear window, on which you could stick your id label .... raspberries, gooseberries etc. with relevant date.

Unfortunately, one picture will flip over to the following post, and if the wording re the 'plain space for label' appears less than legible...........  it reads......
"Oval represents plain space left in the design for label as per small sketch at foot which shows other side of jar.    The jar is circular in plan"

[Paul S.]

last picture  -  Rd. 563871

[agincourt17]

Thank you, Paul.

All information gratefully received however and whenever it comes.

Nice to see the thought and effort that went into the design of items as seemingly mundane as glass jars.

Fred.

[Anne]

But what is possibly more relevant to your enquiry is an advert in the Pottery Gazette 1 May 1890 › Page 38, which states De Grelle Houdret & Co (The Belgian Glass Co.)  http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/35734191/

I've picked up another wee snippet about The Belgian Glass Co. from the 1878 edition of Slater's (late Pigot & Co.'s) Royal national commercial directory and topography of Scotland

The Belgian Glass Co. (manufac-
  turers of plate, sbeet, and all
  kinds of plain, cut, pressed, and
  engraved flint glass) ; offices &■
  sbowrooms, 19 Basingball st,
  Lond-jn, S.C.-CIi. De Oreile &.
  Co. agents

It's clearly been OCR'd and not proof-read, so what it should say is:

The Belgian Glass Co. (manufacturers of plate, sheet, and all kinds of plain, cut, pressed, and engraved flint glass) ; offices & showrooms, 19 Basinghall st, London, E.C.- Ch. De Grelle &. Co. agents. So that explains the relationship between the two companies. 

[agincourt17]

Thank you, Anne.

Fred.