Topic: What Is So Special About This Cut Goblet?

[Fuhrman Glass]

I couldn't detect any mold lines anywhere on it so that suggests that it was hand cut and most of it is sharp enough detail that it didn't have any fire polishing or glazing done on it to smooth out the mold seams.
The expertise to cut all of those different elements is not something that many have been capable of. I do think that it could have possibly been acid polished after all the cutting to get it to appear as brilliant as it does. I agree, it appears to be emerald green as opposed to deep blue.

[chopin-liszt]

I had wondered myself about acid polishing - particularly after looking at the curved columns.

Would coloured glass from the States treated in this way still be considered to be "Rock crystal cut"?
That might explain the "loadsalolly" kind of figures being bandied about. 

[Fuhrman Glass]

I would consider it rock crystal since I'm sure it has high lead content that allowed it to have such a nicely "polished" surface and a fairly high level of refractory. The high lead content would make it much easier to have cut and acid polished. This would possibly help with the dating of the piece.

[Ohio]

It doesn't look cobalt to me ... well as far as my monitor shows
Does the vase in the catalogue have the base of the foot cut like that? And also what era would it date to please?


I'm intrigued as I would never have guessed American   

btw it's a beautiful goblet and gorgeous colour.
m

Well I am slightly color blind so I guess its teal in color. The Hoare scrapbook in Boggess shows the foot cut in the same manner as the one on eBay & thats not unusual at all for U.S. ABP since more than 50% of our cutters were European who immigrated. Clark, Hoare, Maple & many other cutting operations used the european foot design. I found a Hoare vase in Croesus cutting with the twisted cuts but not as severe as the one on eBay.

What the OP should do is contact the American Cut Glass Assn. & seek guidance from them.
www.cutglass.org/

OK found something...in the Boggess color section (30 pages all unnumbered) there is a Hoare Croesus decanter which I showed to DW who is not color blind & she says it matches or comes close to matching the OPs color & while its cut to clear there is a solid connector ring (good sized) that is solid teal?

[Paul S.]

I don't have a date for the start of commercial acid polishing for stemware in the States - but do know that it began to be used in the U.K. for use routinely, on cut glass c. 1922/23  -  and could be wrong, but I suspect this goblet to have been made prior to that date.           Having looked again and blowing up the pix, must admit that the cutting on the goblet doesn't look particularly sharp.

To my eyes this style of pattern/cutting wouldn't necessarily make me think of either rock crystal or ABP  -  doesn't appear sufficiently fussy or sinuous enough - but I don't collect States glass, so could be talking tosh           As a guess, I'd have thought that rock crystal, by definition, would mean clear glass, rather than coloured.          It may well be the colour that is ramping up the shekels.

Comparing the colour of the 'croesus' decanter (quoted by Jane Spillman as dating to c. 1890's) with this piece, there is a similarity, but the decanter appears brighter and less dense in colour  -  even the solid neck ring is not as dark a shade as the goblet.         I'd be inclined to suggest the goblet is more blue (teal as Sue says), and the decanter looks more emerald.          Looking at the cutting on the 'croesus' piece, it does have the look of ABP.

Ref.  'The American Cut Glass Industry - T. G. Hawkes and his Competitors'  -  Jane Shadel Spillman  -  1996  -  page 23.

[flying free]

'The Hoare scrapbook in Boggess shows the foot cut in the same manner as the one on eBay'

I'm sorry to be pedantic  ,but when you say cut in the same manner, do you mean it is exactly the same as the detailed base of the goblet?
I'm just curious as to whether the goblet could have originated from another country?  Or were there cuts that were particular to a specific maker.
I have to admit I have nothing to offer as an alternative, but I was just wondering.

I should just bow out lol because I know nothing about cut glass, but I'm curious to know.
m

[Ohio]

Paul: Utility patent, no. 230,137, granted to George F. Latham on 20 Jul 1880. The patent application was accompanied by "specimens" but no illustrations. The year 1880 is an early date for a proposal to use acid as a polishing agent although acid polishing was relatively well established by 1890 for cut glass.

I do not have that Spillman book to compare colors against one another from Boggess, however the piece in the Boggess book color section is not emerald unless the color shown in the photo is inaccurate compared with other emerald examples shown in the color section of the book. It appears to be blue/teal according to DW & I relied on her judgement. With published color photos you never know...just ask the National Cambridge Collectors 2nd edition of their colors book where the photos are simply inaccurate as compared with actual Cambridge colors. All because somebody forgot to proof the first five copies book for photo color match/clarity which lead to the entire run being published.

M: "but when you say cut in the same manner, do you mean it is exactly the same as the detailed base of the goblet?"

No thats why I stated in the same manner as the vase in the catalog page is not large enough to provide minute details enough for me to to state "exactly"

"whether the goblet could have originated from another country?"

Absolutely & we will not know anything definative about country of origin & manufacturer origin unless OP submits picture to AGCA with the link I provided. In the meantime I was taking a shot at a possibility as Paul was close with his Hoare observation so I was investigating his lead & I am not going any further with this, its up to the OP.

[Ohio]

Well I see the auction has been ended as "item no longer available". Pity as I would have liked to know exactly what it was for educational purposes.

"This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available"

[flying free]

Mine says there was an error in the listing.
I hope, whatever happened, that the owner receives the right price for it.
m

[kimo]

A friend listed this goblet, without knowing anything other than it's cut glass and attractive,  on eBay at auction for a starting bid of $39.99. Within hours, she had been contact by four people asking her to end the auction early and allow them to buy it outright. The offers were for $600, $1750, $2750, and $4000.

She quickly relisted at a much higher opening bid, but she still doesn't know what's so special.

Any idea why? Obviously, several people recognized it quickly.

http://m.ebay.com/itm?itemId=161204250851

Ummmm.  If the OP actually received these kinds of 'sell it now' offers from Ebay bidders and if they were at all serious, I cannot help but wonder why it did not sell with a starting bid of $2,750.  I cannot believe such sky high numbers myself.