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Zoude
Gabriel Tomkins:
Hi Antwerp
Where did you manage to find them !!!!
In English we refer to the 1st and 4th items as being "nut moulded". I believe that the Liegeois term is "Fraise" or strawberry. I would like to know how you can positively attribute these to Zoude. Ive only read books ( A.Barr) but I think these may pre-date Zoude,
http://www.scottishantiquesinc.co.uk/product/product&filter_name=liege&product_id=1027#.VRnPAGbbVIg
...and how do you tell Liege from Nizet
I love the wrythem moulded bowls. The moulding is so much tighter than English equivalents. I guess these must be lead glass if Zoude ?
Please advise, sorry but Im just 5 months into collecting and have only bought one glass, which I use ! Im just learning
Antwerp1954:
Hi Gabriel
Welcome to glass collecting. What was your first purchase?
The type of moulding seems to get all sorts of names depending on how pronounced it is - rice grain, honeycomb etc.
The link you gave shows a glass which might well be a Zoude. Alex is a very experienced and knowledgeable dealer who knows much more than I do. However, if the glass shown contains lead, then I tend to believe it was made by Zoude and on this occasion would disagree with his attribution.
How do we begin to attribute glasses to different areas and makers. Often we can't but there are sometimes characteristics in the form of the glass which help. Reading round the subject, looking at photos and handling glasses all helps.
Nizet? Do you mean Namur?
Gabriel Tomkins:
Hi Antwerp
I believe the Nizet glasshouse was in Liege. I think I have read that they were making lead glass, or experimenting with it in 1720-30 or so, a long time before Zoude.
I was simply wondering if Nizet is synonymous with Liege. If not how do you distinguish between the two and those produced by Zoude, who was making lead glass. The tight wrythening seems to be very much a Belgian trait.
Ive been looking at Corning and the Zoude catalogue. I know that this is deemed to be spurious but from your pictures, those on scottish antiques and the catalogue there are definitely some patterns that seem to repeat for Zoude / Liege / Nizet glass, the nut/honeycomb/fraise moulding on bowls being one, the tight wrythened bowls and the "torsinee" moulded stems, which were obviously dip moulded and twisted before being applied to bowls.
I bought one glass from Mark West web site, an "English ale glass" , but it looks as though these were made on the continent too. Its a fascinating hobby and the endless hours that can be spent on research and trying to decipher the point of manufacture appeals to me. I have become an armchair detective in later life.
Antwerp1954:
I've been on the Corning Museum site but don't seem to be able to view the catalogue. How did you get to view it? Thanks.
Ivo:
Sebastien Zoude was located in Namur 1709-1779, founded the Zoude works in Namur in 1753 which lasted until 1818. He made full lead crystal 1762-69. Believe it or not, he did.
Louis Zoude took over in Namur 1819-1867 and opened a second works in Jambes in 1849. He died 1854, the company merged with Herbatte in 1865. It was closed by VSL in 1879.
Veuve Zoude Drion was located in Jumet-Brulotte (Charleroi) 1825-1878 and then merged into the S.A. des Manufactures.
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