Topic: Not Peter McDougall bowl - any info please!

[chopin-liszt]

No, m.
I was just suggesting another non-Scottish maker of this style of glass, and I was referring to the aqua bowl in the auction link Frank said wasn't Scottish - I think...
Your comment was on the previous page, and out of sight was out of mind. Sorry for repeating it.

[flying free]

  oh sorry - just thought I'd check just in case.  Ignore me 

[chopin-liszt]

No,  it's ME that needs ignored. I will just read quietly from now on.

[flying free]

Gray-Stan did do some stuff with quite defined whorls
http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/woolley-and-wallis/catalogue-id-2892706/lot-21141214

But the pontil mark still doesn't look right for Gray-Stan.  However I don't know if they ever did polished pontil marks.  The pieces I have, and have had, haven't been polished.
m

[orangeglass]

Hi all,

Here are some more pictures - I'm pretty certain Gray Stan it isn't  - much as I'd love it to be! I need to have a look for whatever it was that someone else put on that reminded me of this - same base if I remember rightly (unfortunately that is the only thing I remember!!)
Do you think Frank knows something and isn't telling??
Peter McDougalls reply was -  to quote "I would say it looks very much like  a Vasart but I can not be sure, but it is off a Vasart design."

To me it  looks like it someone who has worked with someone at  Vasart / Strathearn  - why does Frank say look outside Scotland?

Why do we drive ourselves potty about all this??

Anyway, the glass is full of tiny bubbles, and not any heavier than you'd expect. To me it looks like the glass is blue not clear, then swirled with (mainly) white and blue.

Frank, you aren't implying these could have been made in London are you?

Anyway, we may or may not ever know 

Roberta

[flying free]

ok thanks
I'm all out of thoughts then.
And I'm no expert on any of these ... I just like them - so for what it's worth my thoughts are:
There are pluses for Stevens and Williams, the cloudy technique looks similar to the white in my vase (but yours is all over, whereas mine is in streaks), the tiny bubbles look similar to those in my vase, the shape may be a possible, the pontil mark also.  The minuses are I'm not sure the base is right, I don't know about S& W doing any whorls and it might not be thick or heavy enough for an S&W/RB piece.

To me it also has some similarities with Gray-STan in the way the white (white and blue) cloudiness seems to be done.  But I don't know about the pontil mark or base, ... or shape or design for that matter

There's always the Elwell pieces as well ...  I don't know how it might fit in with that.

As I said, just my thoughts.  Probably something else entirely 

[Frank]

Nigel might add something. I know these have been discussed before over a long period but no time to hunt for the threads, sorry.

[orangeglass]

Hi,
Thanks for that Frank, I've had a trawl through and read most (I think) of the related threads - no conclusions were reached, I'm not sure if my bowl is part of those things or not! Some of the items discussed seem to be dating back further than I think my bowl is, but who knows!!

Roberta

[Frank]

Seen them since the 80s, and they were not new then. So not new kids on the block.

[Frank]

see also http://ysartglass.com/Otherglass/Nazeing/NazeingG05.htm