Topic: Wrythen Amber glass vase help please

[brucebanner]

What kind of date do you think this is, i noticed this style of glass on a Whitefriars beaker in Lesley Jackson book but that had a flared base, the Whitefriars forum has drawn a blank and Chris Cooper who posts on here thinks it's Webb. What i have noticed with my ebay listings is that when something is inacurate the  item in question can flag up for ages in the search results of Google and the like which long term is not helping others who list glass and collectors.

[Paul S.]

hi Chris......     When you think of the vast acres of patterns/designs in glass - much of which defies running down to a catalogue that we can find easily, then there are always going to be some that give problems regarding attribution.
Catalogues for factories which often had the most prolific of output are frequently not available, and T/Webb is just such a factory (or at least not available to most of us).
Patterns/designs were copied and not possible to be certain sometimes as to origin.

In addition to the McConnell/Miller reference mentioned above, I've just remembered that there is also an image in Dodsworth (catalogue No. 283 - page 47) which shows a footed blue vase with an almost identical spiraling to your piece, and which is attributed to T/Webb.
There seems no doubt as to the provenance of Roger Dodsworth's vase since the piece is backstamped Webb.

I suspect that the W/Fs piece you're referring to is one of the Woodchester beakers??  -  so no connection there.
Date wise, for your vase, I'd suggest 1930's.

I don't participate in ebay, so really unsure of what your second sentence means, sorry

[Lustrousstone]

This most definitely is Webb, but I'm not sure it confirms Chris's amber vase as Webb. It looks too different http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Webb-art-glass-Art-Deco-vase-rare-yellow-color-twisted-ribs-form-pontil-signed-/231224092156

[brucebanner]

I'm loving the "rare colour, in the item description on the vase in that Ebay listing, something i'm sure you all see very often, it's mind numbing how close all these patterns and colours are and yet this is the way forward to get them documented and listed, the signature is the key. All the catalogues need documenting and to be free for all to look at, not in expensive books.

[Lustrousstone]

It's Sunshine Amber, so not that common. The shape is probably rarer.

[Paul S.]

quote ................."this is the way forward to get them documented and listed, the signature is the key. All the catalogues need documenting and to be free for all to look at, not in expensive books."

Good idea Chris  -  so when are you going to start.

I'd agree that the ebay vase shape is rare, but my opinion on this particular Gay Glass colour is that it turns up not uncommonly.

[brucebanner]

Well i know where there are five pattern books for Royal Brierley, Stuart, Webbs, Tudor and webb Corbett, it's having the time to list them, then there are copywrite issues (thats if it apllies to original pattern books) and if i can lone them in the first place. I'm a Paramedic so i know nothing about copying others work and listing it for all to see.

[Paul S.]

just a quick comment re colour Chris.........

You're correct in referring to 'gold/amber' as a colour found commonly in glass..........most of the big houses seem to have made something similar, especially during the 1930/40 period.       
Leslie Jackson ( commenting on W/F's version of this colour) says that "this brighter, more orangey, selenium based amber was produced from the 1920's to 1962."
Pieces which might be described as gold/amber don't include uranium, and do not react under the torch.

However, as mentioned by Lustrousstone, 'Sunshine Amber' from T/Webb's Gay Glass range is really a different colour, and might be said to lack the golden hue  -  plus it glows substantially under the torch, and even without when the 'sunshine' is shining.    
Sometimes at boot fairs or Antiques markets you can see it a mile away.

Do you have any pieces of T/Webb 'Sunshine Amber'?

[brucebanner]

I'm not sure if i have or not, i packed about 2000 bits away before christmas, a lot of uranium glass and some bright yellow glass, it would be a nightmare to unpack it all, i'm confident though i do not have a vase in that shape.