ah maybe I should have made myself clearer, il try again
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all the monart experts used to be plenty , also is that a hint of sarcasm?, I hope you really didn't think I was meaning you hahahahaha , do I have to explain myself to any of you guys no I think not , if you don't like what I write then don't reply , also best way to know whats a fake /copy or just another piece is to see and handle it , theres a fine line between fakes and in the style of , oh wait now experts eh id say Frank and Nigel for sure , but we have had Franks thoughts, im sure Nigel will be along at some point to add his thoughts and im sure there are others and it would be nice for their thoughts on these pieces , like I said if you don't like what I write then don't reply , fakes/copies or just in the style of actually fascinates me in Ysart glass, something I was very interested in since being in a house in the Perthshire area around 14 years ago and was lucky or unlucky enough to have seen a vast quantity of them, but these ones were fakes and to be or should I say were being sold as Monart , they even came with there own little fake labels that were on poor quality paper , some of the pieces I seen were spot on for shape and size just the colourways that let them down oh and the poor labels which the print would disappear when rubbed as mentioned on the ysart glass site, pieces included a few so called apprentice mushroom lamps with the worst attempt at a brass cast fitting, the fitting was cut out of a piece of flat brass plate the soldering etc was terrible and the glass shades were kept in place with blue tac , the applied feet on them were dark dark purple almost black and were not surface decorated like the reals ones, I was actually shown several boxes of glass which were packed for going to fairs etc with, there was a few real nice genuine pieces but a lot more naughty ones , I was offered to purchase any of the pieces but decided that I wouldn't bother not even the nice real pieces as I didn't want to line this bad persons pockets nor become his next victim, I also heard of the elderly couple who spent a large amount of their retirement funds buying pieces of monart most which turned out to be these fakes , how very very sad , . as for the ones in this auction then yes these are probably from that era, the ones on ebay well im not too sure as they certainly aren't in the same league as they do not really resemble any proper monart bowls I know of so I would say these were later pieces in the style of more than fakes , as surely the maker could see they did not in any way resemble the real thing , so il say it again where has all the experts gone as I would love to hear others thoughts on this subject , oh and remember look before you leap