Author Topic: Another Schmetterling question for Pamela (Read 11802 times)

Glen · « **Reply #20 on:** June 09, 2006, 09:16:59 PM »

Pamela - I haven't seen any examples of that, so I can't say.

Glen

Ivo · « **Reply #21 on:** June 09, 2006, 09:17:57 PM »

I have cleared off a layer of brown lacquer from a clear Buddha which had a capital M on the inside. Mosser - but the piece is not in their current catalogue.

pamela · « **Reply #22 on:** June 09, 2006, 09:28:59 PM »

http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/00811.html

this one is surely 'painted' - sprayed clear white glass :evil:

Glen · « **Reply #23 on:** June 09, 2006, 09:55:02 PM »

It looks pale blue in the photo. It's almost impossible to say with certainty without handling it. What do you think, Pamela, when you hold it? Does it look as if it has an applied coating?

Glen

pamela · « **Reply #24 on:** June 09, 2006, 10:20:47 PM »

Glen, yes it has, and that's it what lead all of us here - it is really strange

Glen · « **Reply #25 on:** June 10, 2006, 07:56:06 AM »

It's not possible to see that from the photo, Pamela (well, that is...I can't see it...maybe others can but I just can't. My old eyes :shock: )

I have the "Neptun" fish base - and it is the same delicate blue as your tray. I'll try and get a photo later today. The colour is in the glass - it's not coated in any way.

I don't have a vast collection of Walther items, but I have seen plenty over the years, and I truly don't think I have ever seen one that appears to have been coated or applied with colour.

You mention possibly England or Australia as a source of the possible post production application. I have no idea who could have done it in England. But more than that, I can't think of WHY anyone would do it.

Surely a post production application of colour by someone other than the original maker, would add on cost. It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense on a commercial level. And why bother when the items were available in different colours anyway?

Perhaps your example is a "one-off".

Has anyone else got an example of Walther glass with an applied colour coating?

Frank · « **Reply #26 on:** June 10, 2006, 08:45:51 AM »

Not an ideal test but some glasses we have with coating has had the coating damaged by the dishwasher. It had never occurred to me before that they were coated. It was one of the reasons I started to study coating techniques. There are a LOT of companies in every coutry that do nothing but coat glass. We do or did have a member on this board in the business. I shall see if I can find him, he may be able to add knowledge to the history of the processes.

Glen · « **Reply #27 on:** June 10, 2006, 09:09:48 AM »

Why coat glass with colour (post production and in another country), when you can buy it already self-coloured?

I can see it for small quantities and for expensive decorative objects - but it doesn't make much sense to me for mass produced domestic ware.

Glen

Frank · « **Reply #28 on:** June 10, 2006, 09:35:50 AM »

It is mostly used for product packaging so it must be economical, perhaps using standard production from a glassworks in clear glass. It would certainly give much greater precision in colour control. The techniques are getting much more sophisticated and inkjet printing is atarting to be used, currently only used for marking the glass with batch details it is proving a very effective high speed solution. Once the machinery is sufficiently refined it should be possible to print complete designs for firing onto glass faster than any other process, with the added benefit that each item can be different.

Glen · « **Reply #29 on:** June 10, 2006, 09:41:06 AM »

I'm not questioning the technology - just the rationale behind any sort of large scale use of it for Walther's glass (which was available from the maker in several beautiful colour-ways). That, coupled with the fact that I've not seen any coated Walther glass, suggests to me that it can only have been on a small scale. imho that is........

Glen