Topic: Rummer dates please

[bat20]

Hi all,i had a lucky find the other day with these two rummers,side by side on the shelf but different in many ways to my eye and guess what, i lent my rummer book out a month ago .The one on the right has a yellow tinge to the glass with white seeds and a broken pontil,the other the classic grey hint and a polished pontil,both have good wear and a lovely long ring to them and about 12.5 cm ht,any thoughts many thanks.

[Paul S.]

perhaps if borrowers aren't going to return your books in just a few days, they maybe you should tell them to buy their own

reading the advice from Tim Mills book, he says, and I paraphrase......................

this typical ovoid bowl remained the only rummer bowl shape until c. 1800, but it was a shape copied on and off during most of the first half of the C19, so other factors are needed to refine the date on any specific examples.
Tim continues ......early examples are blown more thinly than later pieces and have a more delicate look  -   and the stem, whilst retaining much the same shape is thicker and less refined on C19 glasses.
This change was brought about it seems by the transfer of rummers from a more private use to the later  pub or tavern glasses  -  which seems to have degraded the quality and appearance.
During this evolution feet became thicker and flatter.

So, judging by features seen on these two my opinion on date would be somewhere between 1820 and 1840.    Unfortunately, the snapped or polished pontil scar is unreliable for accurate dating -  drinking glasses during much of the C19 could often show either. 

Without any inscriptions - found often on rummers - then thoughts of origin are probably a non starter.

As always I hope for contributions/thoughts from others, but I doubt you'll get any, unfortunately.

[bat20]

Yup that all rings a bell Paul thanks,,they both keep ringing even after you put them down so i would say good glass,it was just the  broken pontil, yellow tinge and very slightly less change in the shape curving down to the stem that left me needing to refer to a book again,getting it back Thursday i hope.

[neil53]

Hi, just to add that a yellow tinge to the glass in a rummer typically suggests a Victorian glass.

[Paul S.]

thanks Neil  -  for the benefit of us less knowledgeable folk, are you able to explain why this was the case  -  might it be the lack of lead, or was it a particular mix such as soda or potash - as opposed to lead glass?

[bat20]

Did i read somewhere it's to do with the sandpit location,different types of iron and that,don't put your life savings on that or you could find your partner on the game and you kids in slavery.