Topic: English drinking glass....c1650

[norman warbreck]

I did some tracking down on this one and found a similar item in V&A. The top of the glass broken but then rest looks same as example posted here.

Would love to hear from early glass collectors experts -:))

The top shows where it was cut/ended off by the shears
The base is more or less flat with lots of bubbles and looks like soda glass..? what do i know but i hope the pics will tell what it really is.

many thanks
norman

[Antwerp1954]

What colour is the glass? Greyish, straw coloured, manganese coloured? Have you tested the glass with uv to see whether soda or lead glass? Height? Pontil mark?

Where did you find it?

[Paul S.]

think I've seen that remnant in the V. & A. gallery.            If this were the date suggested, then a very substantial find  -  pre-Ravenscroft pieces are excessively scarce, and almost without exception would show either Venetian or Dutch influence in style, and may even have been made in those locations, and imported.

At this date almost certainly soda glass, crizzling was a problem - the very small amount of lead content making pieces feel lighter in weight than might be assumed.          Presumable you won't get the typical lead glass reaction from the u.v. torch.

This funnel bowl shape is apparently more typical of Venetian influence than Dutch, and the thin stem also looks more akin to Anglo-Venetian.           On this piece the stem/knop formation appears too simple for either origin, and your comments about the flat base would probably rule out Anglo-Venetian.     The shears mark on the rim is of no use for dating, and occurs on many glasses over a very long period of time.

Would be great if this were c. 1650, but I have that sinking feeling that the copyists have been at work again.

Needless to say all of the above comments are taken from the books  -  perhaps Peter (Oldglassman) is able to comment.

 

[Antwerp1954]

This is a glass I bought very recently from a very knowledgable auction house whose opinion I trust (as much as you ever can).

It was described as -

A 17th century, façon de Venise glass made in France or Southern Netherlands (Liege) of slightly smoke coloured and thin walled glass.

It is 10.5cm tall and the foot and bowl have diameters of 6cm. It's very light.

[norman warbreck]

the glass i have posted is extremely light in weight and very very thin.
There are quite some bubbles to the bowl and the foot also has bubbles and a few specks of grit.

Lovely glass you have.!