Topic: Engraved wine glass.

[Antwerp1954]

The heart motif is not uncommon on German glasses. I have one which I believe is probably Hessen from 1760 with a heart next to a flower and the German "nur allein" = alone. I think it is a glass one would give to a loved one meaning "you are the only one".

I've done some digging in my books on continental glass and the ones (not very many) with the red thread are either Bohemian or Silesian from about 1730. I'm not sure if my own red threaded glass is quite that early but you never know.

[chopin-liszt]

My guts feel very strongly that the style of image on the original glass is very old indeed. It seems to me to fit in with fire farting monsters, faces where bums should be and all sorts of other weird and wonderful really, really OLD mediaeval stuff.
I'm relieved to hear of a postulated 1730-ish and although that is still a bit later than the style/genre I'm thinking of, it did persevere for a while.

[Antwerp1954]

I've now had a closer look at the engraving on your glass and still believe it is from about 1730-40. The way the foot is engraved is so typical of that era and the rocaille/rococo decoration is again typical of the early/mid 18th century.

I am convinced it's unlikely to be earlier than 1720 and not later than 1770 ish.

[bat20]

Fire farting monsters,he he he,that made I laugh Sue..I'm going with the lourve thing,all those flowers,the love bird etc,the hand is coming out of a tree or cloud having picked several plump heart shaped apples,metaphor for young maidens he has frolicked with as you do ,and then choosing one  suitable to take home to his mum and dad,more of a mans world then I would say world I would say!
Antwerp thanks for the photos,I tentatively was thinking early 18 century from other glasses I've seen on the net,but haven't seen anything with this full on engraving,is your glass very delicate ,because this one is like facon de Venice.

[Antwerp1954]

My glass, which is similar in form to yours, is quite light because it is made of soda glass. Under UV light it shows yellow luminescence. The walls are not very thin - but if you are going to engrave on the bowl you can't have them too thin I'd have thought. However the walls are thinner than some of the English lead glasses I have but thicker than some the earlier French/Dutch ones I possess which are not engraved.

[bat20]

Yup well that's the thing about this glass?the engraving seems quite deep in places but the glass is light and thin especially the foot,I agree it's very similar to the 1730 onward glasses,but it's just it's lightness has me a bit confused,am I right in thinking this style of engraving is after1700 and any thing before is done with a sharp point?

[Antwerp1954]

Have you tested it to see if it's soda glass? If it is soda glass it will almost certainly feel very light.

Earlier glass, 17th century and early 18th century, was often straw coloured or sometimes slightly purple (manganese) and your glass is clearly not; it's a very 'white' colour.

[bat20]

I can't find my torch as I have moved recently and a lot of stuff is still in boxes,it has a slight brittle ring and the foot looks a bit oily,not a straw colour for sure,I think your dates are most likely correct,I hope so anyway and that style wasn't copied later.

[RoyJ99]

Lovely glass 

[bat20]

Thanks Roy,it's funny really seeing your beautiful glass earlier in the week and then seeing this one a couple of days later ,it made me feel it could be a relation of some sort. ....And thanks  Antwerp  for sharing you knowledge on glass from this era and part of the world.