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Offline MatW

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Re: Ruby flash spa town?
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2015, 06:53:33 AM »
Lustrousstone is right, the glass cannot be older than 1854 ( or rather 1848, as the building was finished then). And it must be a bit older than Ivo thinks, as it was used as museum from 1869 on. My guess would be that the glass was made soon after the completion of the building, because it attracted attention then as something new. Otherwise there are many other older or even more impressive monuments in Munich that could have been chosen by the engraver. So a date around 1850 seems likely to me (and also the style looks fine to me for that period, but I am far from being an expert)...
Just to add, there is some very nice ancient glass in the Munich collection: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staatliche_Antikensammlungen#/media/File:Roman_diatretglas.jpg
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Re: Ruby flash spa town?
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2015, 07:45:08 AM »
Thanks again Matt,is Munich your home town?,as for the hats I guess a bit of artistic license by the engraver ,I have looked up mid 19 century head gear and ones that come close are clerical types and the sort you would wear on a grand European tour.

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Re: Ruby flash spa town?
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2015, 08:19:05 AM »
You are welcome! I was born in Hamburg, but I studied in Munich, and from our library I had a nice view on the building on your glass! As to the "sombreros", of course the figures are very tiny, but traditional Bavarian dress includes also such big hats. Here is an old engraving with people from a region near Munich: http://www.altestiche.com/product_info.php?products_id=7427 .

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Re: Ruby flash spa town?
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2015, 01:16:16 PM »
That's brilliant Matt,I'll be able to sleep now,proper hats not these awful baseball caps ;)

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Re: Ruby flash spa town?
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2015, 01:50:27 PM »
Obviously it dates from between 1854 and 1869. Both the Frauenkirche and the Kriegsministerium are covered by these dates.
Souvenir pieces will pick out the best known landmarks in town, which is this trio. The engravers in Bohemia usually worked from images like this one:
http://bavarikon.de/en/image/kpbO-BSB-BAR-0000000000118252
and pieces may have been produced after the name had changed, they were not always updated promptly so always allow a few years....
Techniques here include fixed wheel cutting for the rim, panels, stem and foot; the red is ruby flashing, and the buildings were copper wheel engraved.

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Re: Ruby flash spa town?
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2015, 02:16:25 PM »
Thanks Ivo,wow they don't make souvenirs like that anymore,tremendous skill,I guess skilled labour was very cheap!

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