Topic: Edward Moore & Co.

[Paul S.]

very glad you seem to have the answer Hearn.             Assume your butter doesn't in fact have the flared foot rim which appears to have been common to most pieces from Moore's suite covered by Rd. 94820.                  I think Henry Moore - at least in the U.K. -  was into pieces a little bigger than yours

apologies Sid - just realized got the spelling of your name wrong earlier today.

[jsmeasell]

The handle matches Edward Moore's 88124 (although the rest of my covered piece with 88124 is very different) and everything else about it suggests Moore. Opaque light brown glass can also be found marked 'Portieux.' This opaque color is produced by what we call a 'reducing batch' in the glass industry, and there must be a source of carbon in the batch for this to happen, hence the references to oats, vine stalks etc. in 19th century batch books (at Fenton, we have used sugar in some of our reducing batches). We would not use the term opalescent, but I can add that this opaque brown color is quite sensitive to heat, so there may be lots of interesting swirls as well as areas where the glass is translucent.

[Paul S.]

Hi James

Off hand I don't know what Rd. 88124 was used to Register  -  a shape only, a suite or perhaps a new decorative design, but as you'll know, rope handles were included on several Registrations from Moore........    80013, 94820, 956775, 133560 and maybe others - but like the gadrooning it seems the factory were more than a little keen on these features, and no doubt many other factories also.

thanks for the clarification on methods and processes - I think my own concern with what I shall now call the semi-translucent appearance of the op's butter, was that it looks to differ appreciably from image/description - in the British books - of Moore's caramel................  which is not of a semi-translucent swirled appearance, and is simply an opaque vitro-porclain glass.              I had the feeling that this matter had been resolved and Sid's link had shown this butter not to be from Moore, although it would still be of interest to know categorically that Moore did NOT produce this type of semi-transparent mix.
I had hoped - just out of interest - that Hearn might provide a picture of the foot rim - just to confirm that his butter is not from Moore's suite covered by Rd. 94820.

The appearance of the op's butter shares some features with Sowerby's 'Blanc-de-lait  -  although appreciate there are differences - and it may be the semi-translucence of the Sowerby product that suggested to me the word opalescent.

[Hearn]

Hi Paul S.

Just so we can definitely wrap up this discussion I have attached a photo that illustrates the base on the butter dish.  With the help of the reference that Sid found I believe we have a definitive identification.  The reference does appear in blue but the caption mentions caramel and white.

Thanks to everyone for a very productive discussion.

Carl

[Paul S.]

thanks for the picture Carl  -  so, definitely not the shape of Moore's foot rim - and does seem that with Sid's help this is now wrapped up.