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Author Topic: Iridescent glass with number 746 to base. ID = Glasfabrik Schliersee  (Read 1621 times)

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Re: Identify maker Iridescent glass with number 746 to base
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2015, 03:29:05 PM »
I am happy that M's attribution is ok, based on the CW link.

But before I put an ID in the title, can we please, Booklands, see a close up view of the patterning on the main body of your vase (as opposed to just the foot).
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Re: Identify maker Iridescent glass with number 746 to base
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2015, 04:09:37 PM »
OK here is a photo which I hope is suitable. Difficult due to the material. Will try again if not.
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Re: Identify maker Iridescent glass with number 746 to base
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2015, 04:37:17 PM »
Kev, I know what you are getting at.  OP's pictures do not make the decor look either as intricate or the same colours as the vases I linked to.  However, I think, looking at OP's very first picture of the base, that it is the same decor, which may either be a different colourway (reversed colours ) or is the same but not lit and photographed as well as the ones I linked to. 
I have a green iridescent piece that also has the gold ink-etched process on it. It's incredibly hard to photograph and make it look good - and it is very beautiful in real life - as lighting it is key to making it representative of the decor in real life.

Also if you compare OP's very first photo of the base in first post, with the last pic in OP's second post you will see that they look like two completely different bases because the iridescence and colour is completely flattened out in the last pic in second post.

OP, if you can get your vase inside and have light shone on it so it shows all the iridescence in separate bandings, that would help.  It should look like your very very first pic on here (the too small base pic) where you can see the different alternate colours of orangey gold iridescence and then blue iridescence in the stripes, all with the thin gold ink-etched lines outlining each section.  Don't take the photo with the flash on.  Flash takes away all the nuances of the iridescence.  You just need to have it lit well with soft but not directly on it, lighting.

Kev, the poster on CW makes the point that 'The glass is a deep cobalt blue, and is painted in violet and gold iridescent ink in waves of zig-zag lines in the vase body'.  I think it wears off.  I think this has happened to the goldy bits on OP's vase body.  On my piece the gold has worn off in quite a few places leaving it still looking pretty but it's difficult to see the flowers on the pattern on mine because it is worn.

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Re: Identify maker Iridescent glass with number 746 to base
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2015, 04:58:14 PM »
Booklands, to photograph use a dark background, this will help to show the iridescence. A black bit of cloth or clothing can work well, you can always hold the camera on a box or a few books to keep it steady. Maybe try with and without flash but flash is often harsh.

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Re: Identify maker Iridescent glass with number 746 to base
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2015, 05:31:36 PM »
Will try another photo on Sunday. I'm not using flash but note the comment about dark background and lighting so will try again. You are right about the gold lines, they have worn off in places mainly around the middle of the vase where it is pick up ? - oil from hands degrades it?
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Re: Identify maker Iridescent glass with number 746 to base
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2015, 06:26:51 PM »
Sometimes, laying the piece on a white towel (for safety and security) and photographing it from the different light angles you can get then, will bring a surface pattern out better.
You just need to remember to turn the photo afterwards, if it's sideways or upside-down  ;)
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Re: Identify maker Iridescent glass with number 746 to base
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2015, 09:25:52 PM »
Thanks for sticking with this, folks.  :)
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Re: Identify maker Iridescent glass with number 746 to base
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2015, 09:41:49 PM »
the decor on this one is very subtle - possibly faded,difficult to tell
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/118335-glasfabrik-schliersee-vase-etching-ink

and this one is marked with the number in gold on the base
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/108276-glasfabrik-schliersee-vase-ca-1901-pa

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Re: Identify maker Iridescent glass with number 746 to base
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2015, 11:45:46 AM »
Here we go, these should be better but I lose some quality resizing. Background makes a big difference - thanks for that.
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Re: Identify maker Iridescent glass with number 746 to base
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2015, 12:21:09 PM »
Kev, I think you might just have to go with me on this one :)
Booklands thank you - they are better but out of focus it's very difficult to see the detail of the pattern. Unfortunately it also makes the the iridescence look very 'hard' and patchy which I don't believe it is :)
Kev, if you take op's most recent pictures and the middle one of those and then compare it to the vase on the left hand side in this one,
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/101546-glasfabrik-schliersee-vase-ca-1908
 it has the best comparison - And you can see where the vase in the CW post goes purply at the bottom but the owner has managed to shoot it so that the reflective glare is minimised and the purple effect is minimised.

I am ready to admit I could be wrong and it could be a 'new' version of a 100 year old pattern.  But I just don't think so on this one.  I think it's right.  We've just not quite got the perfect photos yet and I don't have the book to compare pattern shapes unfortunately.

This is also a very good example of how a picture can paint a thousand words - Op's pics of the vase in the last post make it look a) a completely different shape at the top than previous posts and b) a completely different decor and colour

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