Topic: Hi hoping someone can help with id for glass possibly WMF Ikora lamp base please

[michajoli]

Hi Chriss!

Looks like i can not e-mail you but you can e-mail me!
No, sorry, i don't have fitments.

Regards
Micha

[chriss]

done

[Gary]

Hi Chriss, the image below is from a Monart dual lamp fitting, which is a type of fitting that will possibly do for your lamp.
Or alternatively you could get one made with new parts (the link below) from this company.

http://www.lampsandlights.co.uk/table_lamp_kits.php

I have made two dual fittings for two of my own Monart lamps and one for board member Roberta.
The problem with old original lamp fittings they were not earthed ie. two core (electrician's hat) and cannot be used safely. Nowadays all metal lamp holders must be three core.
Gary

[chriss]

Hi thank you Gary I will try that company tomorrow as they were closed when I just tried calling, but they look promising thank you for that I'm not going to be selling it when I manage to source the lamp fitment, so it's only for my use and as long as it's safe and doesn't electrocute me or burn the house down (looking good would be a bonus too ), then I'm happy. I totally take on board the wiring issue and will make sure the wires are modern or have them professionally replaced if I source an older fitment thanks

[chopin-liszt]

You're starting to sound like my OH, who is an electrical engineer.
When he was attaching some nice glass shades I'd got to a new fitment on the kitchen ceiling, I was watching him - and he didn't earth it.
I asked him about that, pointing out that the instruction sheet said it had to be earthed.
He just said; "I know it's not earthed, so it doesn't matter."
"Besides", he added, "the instruction sheet is just somebody else's opinion about how to do it." 

[chriss]

Hi
I went to the glass fair yesterday for the 1st time (well worth the visit I might add) and as I had sent a message to Nigel Benson before, tracked him down there He confirmed it to be Ikora WMF. Unfortunately, in his whole glass career, he has only ever seen one single unmounted lamp fitment which may have been appropriate, though it was years ago, and the lady concerned never responded to his telephone calls to her a while later so very doubtful I will get one unless I track one down in auction and dismantle it or similar? :/ He also said they originally had silk pleated shades. With that in mind, I've contacted the lamps and light company and they will be sending links for the components that I will need as she said they had gallery fitments that would work Thanks for your help and the link given, much appreciated

[chopin-liszt]

I'm glad to hear all the news, that you enjoyed the fair and that you're getting somewhere with your wonderful lamp base. It's going to be a wonderfully satisfying thing to finally get sorted. 

[Pinkspoons]

Whilst not terrifically sexy if you know what they are, I've found that the caps from toilet brush holders and the bases of mug trees / kitchen roll holders will often fit glass lamp bases, and come pre-drilled with 10mm holes (which is the standard for European lighting parts).

Failing that, you could always have one turned in wood - we had a couple of lamps capped off in oak last year, and they looked great.

[misha]

Just make sure that if the fitting is made of conductive metal you have 3 core cable with an Earth connected.

It's really not an option.

It's there to save the life of anyone, now and in future, that may come into contact with a appliance [or fixed lamp fitting on a wall or ceiling, Sue] who's metal framework is by fault 'alive'.

Take it from an electrician who has had more than his fair share of 240V shocks from incorrectly Earthed / Grounded equipment. 

No need to Earth if wired for 'exra low voltage' supply.  Easiest lamps to get would be 12V auto lamps or 12V LED's now easily sourced.  Advantage of LED is low temp operation.  Would need to be supplied via a 240/220 to 12V AC transformer. Thats what I'd do, but easy job I'd do for myself.

Bit of a 'worry' Sue. 
I know it can be a pain having to install/rewire house wiring that includes Earth at light points.  Early homes I've worked on often didn't have Earth there.
I know the pain and tenancy to scream XXX when you get a belting.

Wouldn't pass safety standards now if Earth omitted. Hasn't for a long time.   
Maybe all well and good for the thrill seeker home owner to 'know and accept the risk' but what about someone in future who doesn't? 
Thats the unfortunate possibility if a ground fault that may not prevent lamp from working being there ready to bite the unsuspecting lamp cleaner or changer of dead bulbs.

Same applies to plug-in appliances that are not designated 'Double Insulated' International Symbol is a square within a square moulded on or on nameplate.
Table lamp would not be Double Insulated unless all fitting components were plastic.

[chopin-liszt]

I know, I know.
You try telling a man something!
I am however, quite cautious about electrickery.
I've been seen wearing wellie boots, standing in a plastic washing up basin (on top of a ricketty coffee table!) just to change a light bulb.