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Author Topic: Clear rummers with rich cut pattern - Theresienthal?  (Read 1805 times)

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Offline dirk.

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Clear rummers with rich cut pattern - Theresienthal?
« on: May 26, 2016, 09:23:53 PM »
Hi,
found a pair of these today and wondered if anyone might be able to name a maker. The foot says
Art Nouveau earliest, but I think they might as well be a few decades younger.  In general they have
a bit of a Theresienthal style, but I´ve not been able to find them on Stephan´s site...
Ideas anyone?
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Re: Clear rummers with rich cut pattern - Theresienthal?
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2016, 09:33:42 PM »
Are they hock glasses, what size are they?.

Very nice, lovely quality.
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Re: Clear rummers with rich cut pattern - Theresienthal?
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2016, 09:51:35 PM »
Forgot.... I think hock glasses. They are 20.3cm / 8 inch tall.  :)
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Re: Clear rummers with rich cut pattern - Theresienthal?
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2016, 06:28:29 AM »
Very posh ones  :)

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Re: Clear rummers with rich cut pattern - Theresienthal?
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2016, 07:58:43 AM »
sorry, can't help Dirk with attribution Dirk, but that flared stem together with the cutting/engraving might suggest these were intended for decorative use rather than something you actually used for drinking  -  I would agree these have a similarity to hock glasses.

cutting on the bowl could be one of many factories, VSL for example, but it's the flared stem that is unlike hock glasses made for use.

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Re: Clear rummers with rich cut pattern - Theresienthal?
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2016, 09:03:58 AM »
I'm afraid I'm of no use but I just wanted to complement you on the pictures and presentation. It's always nice to see an item well presented.

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Re: Clear rummers with rich cut pattern - Theresienthal?
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2016, 09:27:59 AM »
Rheinische Glashutten?  That merese is perfectly formed and very similar to the one on my set (different) and the shape bowl is very similar to  mine and the stem shape reminded me of Behrens who did a similar stem I thought for them?
and if you use
 
Koln Ehrenfeld glas as a search it might throw up a catalogue or museum catalogue for them.

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Re: Clear rummers with rich cut pattern - Theresienthal?
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2016, 11:06:40 AM »
this one (different shape but similar cutting on the bowl though not the same)was sold as c.1920 - so perhaps that might be the era for yours, although I think it is possible it might be earlier?

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Roemer-Uberfang-rubinrot-Rheinische-Glashuetten-AG-Koeln-Ehrenfeld-ca-1920-min-b-/401064052937?nma=true&si=NZ7aZdJvwq2aJpGkMoixAuyy33s%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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Re: Clear rummers with rich cut pattern - Theresienthal?
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2016, 12:45:10 PM »
Dirk - quite justifiably you have been complemented on your superb photographic efforts  -  would you care to share your secrets with us ;)  -  do you use a light tent for example, or perhaps some other method to diffuse the light. :)

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Re: Clear rummers with rich cut pattern - Theresienthal?
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2016, 01:30:07 PM »
this design is dated 1890.
I think yours is a variation on this.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/10-Adolf-Roemer-Weinroemer-Rheinische-Glashuetten-A-G-Koeln-Ehrenfeld-um-1890-/121678655146?nma=true&si=NZ7aZdJvwq2aJpGkMoixAuyy33s%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557


That is the one shown second from right on the catalogue page here
There is another cut (?) one shown far right on the catalogue page.
I think it's possible yours is a variation on that shape.  But I can't find any later catalogues or pattern books.

http://www.bv-4.de/index.html?/historie_industrie_glas.html
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