Topic: Is this a Whitefriars vase?

[mattschlan]

I bought this vase along with an aubergine Whitefriars 9727 'elephant foot vase', but i don't know if it is also Whitefriars.

It is 12cm tall, weighs 492g and the colour does appear to be exactly the same as the 9727.

It does have a concave pontil mark but it is not ground as i believe is generally the norm for Whitefriars vases.

Thanks

Matt

[nigelbenson]

Sorry Matt I don't believe it is W/F's.

Cheers, Nigel

[mattschlan]

Thanks for your reply Nigel, can i ask for your thoughts as to why it isn't?

I have found this reference and it does appear to match the shape and height for pattern 9647. I'm still unsure because of the pontil though.

http://www.whitefriars.com/catalogues/contents.php?id=355

[nigelbenson]

Matt,

It looks too thickly cased to me, but, in the link you give it, it also says "K, R" under the image. Translated that means 'Kingfisher' and 'Ruby'. No mention of Aubergine - or perhaps amethyst.

I haven't checked any other references, so if you find an "A" under another illustration of this shape number in the catalogues that would help support your case.

Cheers, Nigel

[Lustrousstone]

Are you sure it's not a Caithness vase  in heather. That base doesn't look to have a pontil mark to me, especially as the rim is cut and polished

[Mosquito]

Looks right for Whitefriars to me: the 1972 catalogue lists the 9647 vase as being available in aubergine. Base should be smooth with no pontil mark as these vases have a cut rim.

[mattschlan]

Here's a link to the 1972 catalogue entry which does have an A listed.

http://www.whitefriars.com/catalogues/contents.php?id=1357

I have two Caithness stroma bowls in heather and comparing the colour, the Caithness colour doesn't quite match (it is a bit pinker), whereas the Whitefriars aubergine 9727 that i have does appear to be an exact colour match.

It is also the same height and shape as the 9647 catalogue entry, and it has a smooth concave base.

It is looking like a pretty good match for a 9647 to me.

Matt

[Marc1976]

Concave base with a cold finished rim? That's a new one to me with Whitefriars. Agree with Mr Benson.

[glassobsessed]

A moulded base and cut rim can be found on many a Whitefriars vase, coffins and nailheads are the first two designs that spring to mind.

John

[Marc1976]

There is mould marks on the bases of the coffins and nailheads, not concave pontils as was stated in the original question. If the rim is cold finished the base will not have a concave punty mark.