Topic: Help to ID Victorian Orange Spiralled Stripes Handle Basket

[mhgcgolfclub]

Help please to ID this Victorian orange spiralled handle basket.

Polished pontil.
The lower half of the bowl and rim glow a very bright orange under a UV light. The inside of the base of the bowl is a custard colour.

Height to top of handle 6.75".
Diameter of bowl 6".
 
Thanks Roy

[Paul S.]

from memory I think the u.v. torch is picking up part of the colourant - in this case selenium orange, which believe is a more recent composition than most of the usual C19 colourants.................   
You have Gulliver  -  does he include this selenium as a method of colouring  -  I can't now recall.                  Is there much wear on the base Roy?
Just looked a little closer at the base  -  that rough area looks unusual for quality Victorian - or am I wrong?

edited to add.........   don't think it's cadmium sulphide, which apparently fluoresces yellow

[Lustrousstone]

Has a Well look to me

[Paul S.]

Gulliver covers British only from memory  -  I think Roy also has my book on Bohemian from this period - might the factory you mention have left a rough pontil scar like this one?

[mhgcgolfclub]

Thanks Paul

Gulliver does not include selenium as a method of colouring that I can see . I will go through the books more thorough later. There is some wear to the base.

Its only the bottom half that glows under a UV light , even from a good couple of feet away. The top half although it appears the same colour and looks the same does not glow except for the extreme rim.

Roy

[Paul S.]

Probably shouldn't comment on this type of material Roy  -  it's not an area I'm remotely good at  -  I just happened to remember that you get a selenium orange glow under u.v.                I always get worried when I see these rough looking pontil depressions, but may mean nothing sinister (i.e. more recent).

[Lustrousstone]

I meant Welz. It's almost certainly Bohemian

[flying free]

Vierzon (French) also produced some strange ribbed pieces with the thorn handles. (Scroll right down to the bottom for one example and there are others mid way through that either have the molded ribs in a similar fashion or have the thorn handles.)
There is nothing exactly like yours in terms of stripes though - most of their pieces do tend to be speckled rather than stripes.

http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/joconde_fr?ACTION=CHERCHER&FIELD_98=LIEUX&VALUE_98=Vierzon%20&DOM=All&REL_SPECIFIC=3

m

[mhgcgolfclub]

Thank you for the link m , some do look similar. I still think Christine is on the right track with Welz or Bohemian. I may try and take a picture later with a uv light .

Roy

[flying free]

I can see that there might be more similarities with Bohemian glass

Just to clarify why I added the French link, I have come across a number of 'apparently' French pieces (caveat - I am not always sure that the pieces are definitely from the area of the museum they are in as they don't appear to be signed )that make me wonder whether I sometimes too quickly think BOhemian when it might be another country completely - especially when it doesn't quite 'fit'.   e.g. there is a fish on that site that I may have thought of as Romanian rather than French.  There are many French pieces with molded ribbed designs so I'm always a bit curious when I see that feature.

btw the pontil mark isn't polished as far as I could see?
it's ground but not polished

m