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Frank:
Fleur de lys for Steuben, interesting. Does it ever appear without the name?
Connie:
I don't think so, Frank. The banner and word Steuben go through the middle of the fleur-de-lis.
Maybe Ivo can provide more info. The mark on my piece is that on page 137 in Ivo's book without F. Carder underneath.
David Hier:
On page 494 of 'Glasmarken Lexicon 1600-1945' there are two examples of a 1903-32 mark for Steuben, which both feature a fleu-de-lis with a ribbon running through it.
One version has Steuben written across the ribbon, the other does not. Interestingly the version with the word Steuben also has the words 'HAND WROUGHT' written underneath the fleu-de-lis and ribbon.
David Hier:
--- Quote from: grayhorse ---I thought it might be English when I saw it.
--- End quote ---
That makes a lot of sense, as I thought S &W might be the maker, but thought that was too obvious. Since Carder may have been responsible for the design that would make a lot of sense though.
I hadn't really aprreciated Carder's contribution to glass design, but recent findings (including GSM contributions) have switched me on to this designer. From what I have seen, his contributions are as relevant as those of Keith Murray and certainly equivalent to Dresser when it comes to the prolification of modern design/art.
This reminds me of the recent (and brilliant) thread on UK studio glass. Let's just say that the heritage of UK Studio Glass goes back further than most would realise i.e. pre Layton, Harris or Herman (see http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6207.0.html.) Why didn't anyone mention Monart, Vasart or Ysart. A recent ATG booklet showed several examples of Scottish Art Glass that looked very much like Studio Glass and was very similar to pieces produced by Mdina.
Am I wrong?
Frank:
David can you send me a scan of that ATG article please. Monart and Vasart do not qualify as Studio Art Glass, it is factory glass. However, if you check the chronology Paul Ysart is included as he set up his own Studio with no more than one or two assistants at a time.
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