Topic: Earthtones at Mdina and MDG; Discussion.

[Lustrousstone]

That's Tortoiseshell to Mdina collectors not Earthtones

[Patrick]

That's Tortoiseshell to Mdina collectors not Earthtones

Thanks Christine......

 Please could you show us a picture of what you would describe as Mdina 'Earthtones'

Cheers,

Patrick.

[Lustrousstone]

Earthtones Mdina
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=590

Earthtones MDG
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=584

Mdina Tortoiseshell
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=594

[Patrick]

Thanks Christine,

 Looks like you are seeing it the same way.

Cheers,

Patrick.

[chopin-liszt]

What gets confusing is that the Mdina Earthtones colourway was renamed Tortoiseshell at IoWSG.
Mdina Tortoiseshell doesn't have the bubbly yellow. IoWSG Tortoiseshell does, and it was made at IoWSG pretty much from the start.
Marc now has a globe, with coachbolt pontil mark and signed by MH, so the date of that is certainly well before '78.

[glassobsessed]

Please could you show us a picture of what you would describe as Mdina 'Earthtones

Links to Earthtone photos were already provided.

It should be noted that the Mdina Ming range was being made at Mdina while Vicente was working there ........ so he must have developed it into the 'Earth Colour' when he joined MDG.

This statement is nonsensical to me. Earthtones has little connection to the blue/green of Ming though both were developed by Harris and they are often found on the same shapes.

[Patrick]

Links to Earthtone photos were already provided.
 

Hi John,

Yes I did see your links but my question was directed at Christine.........

Cheers,

Patrick.

[WhatHo!]

Hi John, I think the Ming and Earthtones are very similar and both use the same steps in their production.  Apart from Earthtones is cased in clear and Ming in blue. The only other differences are the patterns created by the trailing and the colours used in the casing and trailing.

[chopin-liszt]

The biggest difference would be the addition of silver nitrate to the trails of red glass to make it brown in Earthtones, that's an extra stage. Silver chloride would be added to the first gather in Ming, to create the bubbly internal yellow.
Both Ming and Earthtones are Harris designs.

[Patrick]

Both Ming and Earthtones are Harris designs.

Are we sure he did Earthtones at Mdina before he left ?

I am not looking to prove you wrong but for Raymond's recollections to be correct 'Earthtones' would have to be developed by Vicente from Ming whilst he was at MDG.

Cheers,

Ps I don't think it appears in the Dexam catalogue .

Patrick.