oh I see what you mean now Kev.
Umm, well, I think I do.
Did you mean had we ever read anywhere that Thomson and Varnish had said
' that some pieces were actually made as two parts joined together at the rim AND "the rims fixed together by metal edge or by other convenient means"?'
I am not sure they did. I am about to trawl through past posts to see if it was said on any of the other reports on the patents.
Edited to add:
Kev, in the court case Thomson says:
'..
.the first patent in 1848, was for silvering glass and other surfaces—I got the second patent for introducing silver between two glasses, in Dec. 1849, two months after Mellish had worked for me—previous to getting out that patent, I had tried the experiment, and had shown it; it was perfectly well known'So,he doesn't actually say the glass is blown double walled. He says the patent was for introducing silver between two glasses (I presume that means between two layers of glass, but that could be two separate pieces of glass, or a double walled blown piece I guess.)
But in the meantime:
going back to this vase in the V& A
http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O6482/vase-hale-thomson-f/ I think from reading the description, that it implies this vase is made by the 'blown - double-walled - drop the interior cup bit down after blowing - silver the inside of the double walled single piece of glass item ' type method:
Quote on the V&A link to this vase:
'
Object Type
This trumpet-shaped vase is a purely decorative object, designed to impress. It seeks attention with its silvery surface, and the use of ogee-shaped arches suggests a slightly adventurous exotic taste on the part of its owner. The method of making double-walled silvered glass was complex and made more so by the introduction of coloured glass.
Materials & Making
The process of making double-walled silvered glass was patented by Edward Varnish and Frederick Hale Thompson in 1849. A number of glassworks, such as that of James Powell & Sons of Whitefriars, London, made the blanks. A stemmed vase or goblet shape was formed, with the glass-blower stopping short of opening out the mouth. Instead, the top of the vase, still sealed as a bubble-shape, was reheated and 'dropped' inwards to form a double-walled interior. This plain, undecorated vase was then supplied to E. Varnish & Co., where it was filled between the walls from the foot end with a solution of silver nitrate and glucose (in the form of grape juice). The final stage was to seal the hole in the foot with a metal disc, in this example marked for Varnish's Patent.
Time
The silvered glass exhibited by E. Varnish & Co. fascinated commentators on the 1851 Great Exhibition. Varnish's salvers, vases, globes and goblets were bold in size and presentation, using non-tarnishing silver, ornamented with coloured casing, cutting and engraving. The process 'added a richness and beauty of colouring to that material of which few could deem it capable of receiving' (Illustrated London News'
I think from looking at it that it's two pieces of glass.
I am also wondering why it has a metal piece in the middle (have we covered this information before - will look again), and why it has a silver rim around the foot?
Did they cut the base off, silver it and then add a full base circle of glass glued and covered with a silver rim?
The silver rim around the top is explained perhaps by adding a glass liner glueing it and covering it with a silver rim maybe?
I know Kev and I have discussed this before here and on Kev's follow up next post to that one and a further one from me then:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,65670.msg367645.html#msg367645However, I think it's important to find out more about this vase to see if it is found to be a 'glued/fixed rim' two layer piece.