Topic: help id please

[millarart]

any ideas? it has a kinda ysart brothers look to it but probably just tat

[tropdevin]

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Hi.

The base is not the typical shape for any of the Scottish makers, and the design is unusual ... but I would not rule out Vasart.   An interesting piece.

Alan

[millarart]

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Hi.

The base is not the typical shape for any of the Scottish makers, and the design is unusual ... but I would not rule out Vasart.   An interesting piece.

Alan

Alan I shall try and take a couple more base pictures at different angles so to make it out easier

[millarart]

some more pics of base taken next to a vasart bros weight

[KevinH]

The additional photos are not quite in focus but do give a general idea of how a base finish can look from different angles and with different lighting direction. Sometimes the central area can appear to be raised (similar to the Ysart 1 inch round pontil "buttons") or can appear to be a shallow depression.

There are a variety of finishes for my own Ysart Brothers (or earlier) items but some do show a smooth(ish) ground central depression with rougher grinding marks on the outer parts of the base.

A couple of the extra photos also show that the flag (or jack) design is formed with the arms "floating" above the blue ground.

With those features taken together I think the weight could be a Salvador item - possibly -  maybe.

[chopin-liszt]

Do you really think Salvador would have made such an inaccurate "flag"?
I normally consider his work to be rather superior.
I was wondering a little about contemprary Caithness, but the base and again the inaccuracy of the representaion put me right off.
The Caithness ones I've seen in Crieff were much more accurate, although still not quite right, but enough to do for "bread and butter" bits.

[millarart]

Do you really think Salvador would have made such an inaccurate "flag"?
I normally consider his work to be rather superior.
I was wondering a little about contemprary Caithness, but the base and again the inaccuracy of the representaion put me right off.
The Caithness ones I've seen in Crieff were much more accurate, although still not quite right, but enough to do for "bread and butter" bits.

The additional photos are not quite in focus but do give a general idea of how a base finish can look from different angles and with different lighting direction. Sometimes the central area can appear to be raised (similar to the Ysart 1 inch round pontil "buttons") or can appear to be a shallow depression.

There are a variety of finishes for my own Ysart Brothers (or earlier) items but some do show a smooth(ish) ground central depression with rougher grinding marks on the outer parts of the base.

A couple of the extra photos also show that the flag (or jack) design is formed with the arms "floating" above the blue ground.

With those features taken together I think the weight could be a Salvador item - possibly -  maybe.

thanks Kev il try again in morning in daylight if we get any but yes its concaved pontil

[tropdevin]

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I would never have accused Salvador of 'accuracy'! :-)

Alan

[millarart]

 

[chopin-liszt]

Perhaps "finesse" would be a better word to describe his work?
I do think his work stands out from the others, but pwts are not my thing at all.
This just doesn't look good enough for Salvador, (or any Ysart, I'm afraid) to me.
But I'll keep quiet and leave it to the rest of you. 
You all know far more than I do about both weights and Ysarts.