Topic: Identify a centerpiece/plate of (probably?) Murano Glass

[matteo_ferri86]

Hello to everybody,
I’m Matteo, an italian guy from a city near Milan. I’m new on this Forum and this is my first request to all the users. I have in my house this really big (85cm of circumference, 10cm of height and 15kg of weight) and beatiful centerpiece/plate made of coloured glass. My family bought it in the early 90’s from an antique dealer in Forte dei Marmi (a really famous little city near the sea in Tuscany). Probably it is made by Murano glass, but there isn’t any sign or mark on it, and probably it was made in the 20’s/30’s, because this kind of item looks like to the works of the Art Deco/Art Nouveau period. These are all the informations that my family tells to me. So, someone, kindly, could help me with other informations about the author/maker, the provenience/origin and the period of this object?

[Paul S.]

hello Matteo - welcome to the GMB, and compliments on your English  
.............  now Milan I've heard of, but regret that Forte dei Marmi - despite your comments that it's famous - has escaped my education, until this week
You may well be correct with your suggestion that this was from the Gulf of Venice, though regret not my area, and as am sure you will know, the prodigious quantity and variety of glass that has come from the 'Island of Murano' is truly staggering, though bearing in mind your location then a 'Murano' provenance is possible ..............  if my understanding is correct, then the word simply implies one of many glasshouses on the island, and most glass from that location that reaches the books and auctions appears to be the more colourful art glass, and of course all the animals.
With unmarked glass, and an absence of labels, we are into immediate difficulties as to attribution, and id for your platter/plate will require that someone somewhere recognizes it and is able to confirm your suggestion.                Assume you mean 1.5 kg. of weight rather than 15, and
was it the dealer who originally suggested Murano and a date of 20s/30s, or is that speculation on your part?

The two art periods you mention are recognizably different, and I wouldn't have thought your glass old enough to be nouveau, but deco is a possibililty.   Large plates/platters do occur in the 1930 - 45 period  -  Whitefriars and Nazeing - though British - did produce items that were similar in general shape during that period, some with substantial diameters, so your piece might be from that date, though such pieces have been made since.

Unfortunately, antiques dealers are not known for their accuracy when dating vintage items, so my feeling is that you must be cautious with a date.                     Fingers crossed someone may be able to offer real help.

[matteo_ferri86]

Thank you Paul for your post
First of all, my mother has told to me these informations about the plate, and she has said to me that she remembered that, the antique dealer sold this object to her like a "Murano Glass". She didn't know and ask nothing about the origin/age of the plate, because she loved it at first sight and since thought that it would be perfect for her big table in the dining room. Then, I was not wrong when i wrote that its weight is of 15 kg, in fact is really really heavy, and, in fact, the glass is very thick, though and resistant. So, related with its circumference of 85 cm, this object is a unique piece in my mind. Some antique dealers, near my city, have said to me that it, probably, is a piece of some collections (made in Murano) of the 60's/70's. But i write here because i hope to know more facts about it. I attach more photos under this post.

[flying free]

wow, I love that!
It's fabulous.
Are the swirls in the glass gold?

I have this lamp (see link).  I've not found the maker but your platter reminds me of this lamp base.  There might be some information on that thread of makers you could follow up.

Great colour and beautiful opaline or opalescent glass.

https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,38906.msg215007.html#msg215007

[flying free]

and also this one - a little bit similar?

https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/dining-entertaining/centerpieces/large-pink-murano-glass-bowl/id-f_6806353/

I don't know about the information on that dibs link  - it says Designer: Dolbi Cashier - is that a store maybe?
It says that one was created in 1984.

Ok here is some information on Dolbi Cashier dating to the 1990's

Your charger may be nothing to do with them at all - but I am adding the information just in case and for future reference
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Relaunch+for+Dolbi+Cashier.-a017480527

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