Topic: Rare Thomas Webb (or Harrach!!) Satin Glass Vase for show

[mhgcgolfclub]

Almost certainly a rare Thomas Webb satin glass vase for show.

White cased inner glass.

Described in one book as a shallow cameo glass effect.
Height just under 6"
Weight 646gm

Roy

[Lustrousstone]

Lovely. looks like a graal effect

[flying free]

is it an airtrap method? 
It does look like graal doesn't it?
Very beautiful and great colour.

m

[mhgcgolfclub]

Thank you.

There is a similar type of vase in Cyril Manley's book  Decorative Victorian Glass number 77 page 62

The same vase in blue is also shown on page 155 of Mervyn Gulliver Victorian Decorative Glass described as rare and an air trap pattern.

Fieldings Auctions sold a similar vase with added gilding in 2017 http://fieldingsauctioneers.co.uk/lot/156907

Thanks Roy

[flying free]

Sorry, so is this 'almost certainly' Thomas Webb?
Or is it 'possibly' Thomas Webb as per the Fieldings link?

Gulliver shows the same or similar shape with trefoil rim and a similar but different airtrap pattern design but in a different colour (looks teal over white, that he described as pale blue over opal white) and does not mention Thomas Webb at all.  I wouldn't use Manley as a reference.  Sorry.

Thanks
m

[Lustrousstone]

Do you know it's Webb or are you just relying on Manley and a possibly by Fieldings?

[flying free]

ooh Christine  you and me both.

btw I have a criss cross airtrap somewhere and it could never be described as shallow cameo. 

I think the thread title needs amending unless this can be pattern booked as a 'Thomas Webb' because it could be misleading.

[flying free]

There are 13 satin airtrap vases in Gulliver and none of them have been identified as Thomas Webb.
(There is a pretty one with Coralene beads on it )

m

[mhgcgolfclub]

OK my fault I should of used the word possibly at the start of the title.

Roy

[flying free]

I'm really curious about these.  Particularly those that are a bit more ornate such as yours and the one sold by Fieldings.  They remind me of Loetz Octopus vases - I've always thought the Octopus vases were some form of airtrap but never having owned one I've not really looked into that observation.  However, your vase immediately brought to mind my Octopus vases interest.  I've just had a quick google and found a fascinating article by Galle all about the Loetz Octopus vases and their patented method of making here:

https://www.loetz.com/featured-articles/loetz-octopus-victoria-and-the-english-connection

So, the information in Galle's article  is extremely interesting.  I'm very curious to know whether your vase and the Fieldings one are English?  or maybe they aren't?  Could they be Bohemian maybe? 
What I like about them is that they are very 'freeform' design of airtrap as opposed to, say, the airtrap criss cross, lined and dot vases , which seem to me to be uniformly patterned across the body of the vase.
I'm just idly wondering about Harrach if I'm honest.