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Author Topic: Isle of Wight, broken pontil paperweight ?  (Read 3779 times)

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Offline essi

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Isle of Wight, broken pontil paperweight ?
« on: May 25, 2019, 07:17:49 PM »
would value any input on this weight I picked up today.
The colours reminded me IoW or Mdina.
Maybe its just wishfull thinking but the pontil scar looks like the example shown on the IOW museum site.
It is 63mm diameter and 50 mm high.
Thanks in anticipation,
Tim

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Re: Isle of Wight, broken pontil paperweight ?
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2019, 08:01:45 PM »
I can't really tell what your pontil mark looks like.
The IoWSG coachbolt prunt has round raised edges and you can fit your thumb pad into it. It's rounded inside.
It was a real coachbolt that was used to push into the prunt.
I don't think this is IoW though. The colours are Maltese. It could be Mdina or Phoenician.
I personally suspect Phoenician.
But I can't make out too may details from these pics.
The usual problem, nothing to do with your photography - it's 3 d and pics are 2 d. ::)
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Re: Isle of Wight, broken pontil paperweight ?
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2019, 08:46:56 PM »
Thanks for the feedback Sue I will try to get some better photos.
As per the IOW museum site they say before the coach bolt mark the snapped pontil mark was on early and experiment items.(my wishful thinking).
There is some base wear and I realise this is not an accurate measure of age.
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Re: Isle of Wight, broken pontil paperweight ?
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2019, 09:49:46 AM »
They didn't use gold foil in the early days at IoW, that wasn't until the later '70s.
And they only had a tiny amount of the teal left over from Mdina which was all used up in the very early days. Before foil. So I'm afraid it can't be IoWSG. It has two completely incompatible features.
Snapped off/ broken pontil scars are found on attenuated bottles, which cover a number of years, and also on goblets.
Rather than being an indication of period, they really depend on what the piece is.
Some things are just easier to leave with the broken mark. Applying a blob of hot glass for the prunt can cause cracking problems on the thin bases of tall bottles and are not reasonable to apply to footed pieces.
I've just checked a couple of Ltd Edn pieces - an Undercliff Day baluster and a large North Sea rectangular vase - both of those have broken off pontil scars.

I don't know about candlesticks and lamp bases, but I imagine they might well have broken scars too.
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Re: Isle of Wight, broken pontil paperweight ?
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2019, 08:52:08 AM »
Thanks for the extra information Sue. Its a nice weight on will go on the shelf for a while.
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Tim

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Re: Isle of Wight, broken pontil paperweight ?
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2019, 11:52:35 AM »
You're welcome.
I should have been clearer about the times of the pieces I mentioned.
Undercliff and North Sea are both Tim's work and dated 2006. So, really, broken pontil scars don't mean anything on IoWSG.

I had mistaken a ring around the scar that appears in the photos as perhaps being the rim from a coachbolt prunt.
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